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wj
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Message 101 of 199 (30949)
02-01-2003 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by peter borger
02-01-2003 1:04 AM


So, is the Archaeopteryx mpg ancestral for reptiles or birds? Or do you simply make up mpg's whenever the need arises? Or ar reptiles and birds the same "kind"?

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wj
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Message 142 of 199 (31999)
02-11-2003 10:54 PM
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02-11-2003 10:16 PM


Borger, you are being disingenuous. You have tiptoed around the issue of transitional fossils for too long.
If you expect to have you gutob to be tanek as a serious alternative to the theory of evolution then it has to be compatible with the fossil record. A significant feature of the fossil record is the presence of transitional forms. Your gutob needs to explain them.
Further dithering would adversely affect your credibility.

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wj
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Message 144 of 199 (32002)
02-12-2003 12:27 AM
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02-12-2003 12:00 AM


quote:
PB: If you are able to demonstrate an organisms that you qualify as TF in an evolutionary sense, then I will explain them from GUToB.
Ambulocetus natans

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wj
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Message 146 of 199 (32004)
02-12-2003 1:30 AM
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02-12-2003 1:09 AM


A 12 ft otter!! LOL.
Do you have a serious response?

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wj
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Message 148 of 199 (32018)
02-12-2003 5:30 AM
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02-12-2003 4:55 AM


Ungulate or cetacean mpg? Or are you going to be evasive again and refer to an mpg for each kind?
BTW, if all vertebrates are from the one mpg, why don't we see transitions between dogs and cats?

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wj
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Message 157 of 199 (32050)
02-12-2003 5:33 PM
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02-12-2003 4:56 PM


So PB, do the different mpg's correspond to any taxanomic strata? Phylum? Order? Genus? You seem to have been unclear on this point in the past.
From whence could mpg's suddenly appear?

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wj
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Message 162 of 199 (32175)
02-13-2003 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by peter borger
02-13-2003 6:19 PM


PB, your posts are now degenerating into meaningless drivel.
Are you going to give a serious answers to the multitude of outstanding question on this tread addressed to you?
Just as a sample:
So PB, do the different mpg's correspond to any taxanomic strata? Phylum? Order? Genus?
From whence could mpg's suddenly appear?
Did all whales come from one MPG (Ambulocetus?) or should they be split into three MPGs (archaeocetes(paraphyletic), toothed whales(paraphyletic), baleen whales (monophyletic)) or four (archaeocetes, baleen whales, sperm whales, dolphins (including orca)) or five (archaeocetes, baleen whales, sperm whales, dolphins, orca) or one MPG=one genus, or one MPG=one species like Homo vs Pan?
PB: If you are able to demonstrate an organisms that you qualify as TF in an evolutionary sense, then I will explain them from GUToB.
Ambulocetus natans
PB: This another MPG.
Ungulate or cetacean mpg? if all vertebrates are from the one mpg, why don't we see transitions between dogs and cats?
[This message has been edited by wj, 02-13-2003]

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wj
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Message 164 of 199 (32183)
02-13-2003 11:26 PM
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02-13-2003 10:59 PM


It would appear, PB, that you have very little idea about what your mpg is, but this does not stop you from offering it as an explanation for any observations in the fossil record. Surely these should have been thought about and tenative answers found before declaring your gutob as a better theory than the theory of evolution.

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wj
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Message 194 of 199 (33812)
03-06-2003 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by peter borger
03-04-2003 8:35 PM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
^bump^

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wj
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Message 195 of 199 (34108)
03-11-2003 5:18 AM
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03-04-2003 8:35 PM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
And Borger's response to Archaeopteyrx is ...?

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wj
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Message 196 of 199 (34240)
03-12-2003 11:03 PM
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03-11-2003 5:18 AM


Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
^bump^

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