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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
What if they sexually abuse and beat you from day one? Well, if we want to impose our morality on them and say that it is wrong (and I assume most of us would). Irrespective as to whether we understand the iplicit sovereignty we claim in doing so, then in that case... We must forgive them in the ultimate sense. I have personnally had to forgive in this arena at one time. All of us have been abused by all people at one time or another, because all of us are sinners. It's ironic you know... We get ticked off at the world for wronging us, and then often use that as an excuse to say there is no morality and justify our personal failings. If there wasn't a violation... why did it tick us off so much??? Everyones waiting with bated breath... You got me on that one...
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 754 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
You shall not make a graven image. Would that be only statues, or also cartoons, dollar bills with Washington on them, and photographs? An early English version said:"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Does this suggest that we should stone to death all artists who draw people better than my pitiful stick figures? Heck, I used to draw a pretty good horsie when I was about seven....
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Does this suggest that we should stone to death all artists who draw people better than my pitiful stick figures? Oh yes most definitely... How bout another round.. 'tender!
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Rob writes:
Show me a moral absolutist, and I will show you a moral relativist who absolutely wants to impose his relative morals on everybody else.
I just think that if morality exists, then it must necessarily be absolute.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Show me a moral absolutist, and I will show you a moral relativist who absolutely wants to impose his relative morals on everybody else. Your quite right roadkill... everytime you accuse Bush of warcrimes you do just that! There are no crimes unless there are morals... if we're just making them up then tell us so and quit judging other people...
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CK Member (Idle past 4148 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Why must we forgive them? You agree that the state should be able to remove a child from the home of such abusers and that their sovereignty is limited? right?
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CK Member (Idle past 4148 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Sorry I cannot work out if you are joking or not - Artists should be stoned to death for producing drawings better than stick figures?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 754 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
If there wasn't a violation... But there was a violation. Societies have standards. We expect people to abide by them. Picking up firewood on Saturday is not a stoning-to-death offense in Western cultures like it was in Hebrew times. That's changed.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Why must we forgive them? You agree that the state should be able to remove a child from the home of such abusers and that their sovereignty is limited? right? Of course, that's why I said ultimate sense. I mean forgiven in that I will not condemn them to hell, or wish it on them. I would prefer that they repent before facing that judgement. As for this world, they will pay the last penny... And we love to hold ourselves up and play better than all of those who have been caught (in general, not that we all abuse children). We love to play selfrighteous and point fingers. When all we need to do is look in the mirror!
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Sorry, no of course not. Bad humor...
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
But there was a violation. Societies have standards Really? So, if you are a moral relativist... are you saying that it was ok for the Jews to stone people because it was their way of living? And do cannabals have the right to invade a neighboring island and eat their neighbors, even if the neighbors are disgusted by canabalism? OR, are ther universal standards as part of the purpose of our existence?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Evidently, there were many people at that time that felt it was ok. Perhaps there were some individuals who disagreed. Today, most of us feel that it is not ok. There are also a few who disagree with the majority. "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." -- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 754 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Sorry, no of course not. Bad humor... So you don't hold that morality is absolute. I understand now. Discussion over.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4130 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
And do cannabals have the right to invade a neighboring island and eat their neighbors, even if the neighbors are disgusted by canabalism?
who's saying they have the right to do anything? no one has to stand there and let them - in their minds they think they are right in thier victims minds they arn't, thus it is not universal
OR, are ther universal standards as part of the purpose of our existence?
like i said cannibals think they are right the people being eatten do notthere is no universal standards
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 754 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
are you saying that it was ok for the Jews to stone people because it was their way of living? Pretty damn barbaric for a completely victimless "crime," is what I think. So, no, that's not ok with me:but I wasn't there back then. I haven't yet heard of a society that meets my ideas of a Good Society.
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