Is morality absolute or relative?

Well, if we want to impose our morality on them and say that it is wrong (and I assume most of us would). Irrespective as to whether we understand the iplicit sovereignty we claim in doing so, then in that case... We must forgive them in the ultimate sense.I have personnally had to forgive in this arena at one time. All of us have been abused by all people at one time or another, because all of us are sinners.It's ironic you know... We get ticked off at the world for wronging us, and then often use that as an excuse to say there is no morality and justify our personal failings. If there wasn't a violation... why did it tick us off so much???Everyones waiting with bated breath... You got me on that one...

Would that be only statues, or also cartoons, dollar bills with Washington on them, and photographs? An early English version said:
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."Does this suggest that we should stone to death all artists who draw people better than my pitiful stick figures? Heck, I used to draw a pretty good horsie when I was about seven....

Oh yes most definitely...How bout another round.. 'tender!

Show me a moral absolutist, and I will show you a moral relativist who absolutely wants to impose his relative morals on everybody else.

Your quite right roadkill... everytime you accuse Bush of warcrimes you do just that!There are no crimes unless there are morals... if we're just making them up then tell us so and quit judging other people...

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Well, if we want to impose our morality on them and say that it is wrong (and I assume most of us would). Irrespective as to whether we understand the iplicit sovereignty we claim in doing so, then in that case... We must forgive them in the ultimate sense.

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Why must we forgive them? You agree that the state should be able to remove a child from the home of such abusers and that their sovereignty is limited? right?

Sorry I cannot work out if you are joking or not - Artists should be stoned to death for producing drawings better than stick figures?

But there was a violation. Societies have standards. We expect people to abide by them. Picking up firewood on Saturday is not a stoning-to-death offense in Western cultures like it was in Hebrew times. That's changed.

Of course, that's why I said ultimate sense. I mean forgiven in that I will not condemn them to hell, or wish it on them. I would prefer that they repent before facing that judgement. As for this world, they will pay the last penny...And we love to hold ourselves up and play better than all of those who have been caught (in general, not that we all abuse children).We love to play selfrighteous and point fingers. When all we need to do is look in the mirror!

Sorry, no of course not. Bad humor...

Really? So, if you are a moral relativist... are you saying that it was ok for the Jews to stone people because it was their way of living?And do cannabals have the right to invade a neighboring island and eat their neighbors, even if the neighbors are disgusted by canabalism?OR, are ther universal standards as part of the purpose of our existence?

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are you saying that it was ok for the Jews to stone people because it was their way of living?

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Evidently, there were many people at that time that felt it was ok. Perhaps there were some individuals who disagreed. Today, most of us feel that it is not ok. There are also a few who disagree with the majority.

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"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the same sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."
-- H. L. Mencken (quoted on Panda's Thumb)

So you don't hold that morality is absolute. I understand now.Discussion over.

who's saying they have the right to do anything? no one has to stand there and let them - in their minds they think they are right in thier victims minds they arn't, thus it is not universal like i said cannibals think they are right the people being eatten do not
there is no universal standards

Pretty damn barbaric for a completely victimless "crime," is what I think. So, no, that's not ok with me:but I wasn't there back then. I haven't yet heard of a society that meets my ideas of a Good Society.