Is morality absolute or relative?

jar... Do you acknowledge that absolute truth exists?

I think you miss the point guys... morals and law are actually synonomous. Let me put it to you this way. You can disagree and say that it is only my opinion, but then you really only prove that that is because the truth is not relative... my opinion and yours is irrelavant. The truth speaks for itself. Consider carefully:

Well, frankly that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. I know that there are some things that are so well supported that they approach near certainty, like anyone born will die, like evolution happened, like there has not been a global flood in atleast the last 600,000 years, like night will follow day.But what does that have to do with morality and whether it is absolute or relative? Can we stick to the subject?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Very nice! So your saying that everything you just said is not necessarily true? But that, with what you almost know with certainty, you will bank on? Is that a fair assesment?If so, Since you lack certainty and my Lord spoke with fire and claimed to be certainty, i'm gonna bank on Him. Because if your right, I got nothing to lose but this stinking life. If He's right, i got all of eternity to pay for denying what was the most obvious to me... That I am indeed a sick man in need of a healer.

Sorry but that is just another unsupported assertion. It is also one that is demonstrably false.What is the moral basis for a 30MPH speed limit. How is 30MPH more moral than 31MPH, or 30.5MPH?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What does any of that have to do with whether morality is absolute or relative?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Look, this is all nonsense. We know from game theory - a branch of mathematics - that it's more advantageous for a group to mutually cooperate than to compete against each other. In other words, if you share the pie instead of fight for it, everybody gets more pie.From this simple observation, it should be trivial to realize that societies enact laws not because they're duplicating some absolute moral precept inherent to the universe, but for the entirely prosaic reason that it's better for everyone to have laws instead of not having them.Laws are useful, whether they're enacted by the conventions of government or even enshrined into "morals." Societies that have them are more effective than those that don't. No surprise, then, that we see that all societies have laws. And apparently so many people don't have enough sense to do what's best for everybody that a lot of laws have to be couched in terms of "God sayz so" and "it's absolute" or else they won't follow them. Oh, well.No finite set of moral laws can successfully encapsulate all possible situations and moral choices. That observation more than anything else proves that "absolute morality" is a myth.

This is unbelievable! Is it that difficult to see the point.... I did not say that a speed limit sign is absolutely true... I am saying that it implies that it is, and that's why the law breaker hates it so much...It is precisely why you hate the ten commandments.. because you are a liar, an adulterer, a God hater, and otherwise insulant arrogant bastard like the rest of us...

Thanks for playing Crash. I missed you man...It's better for everyone??? My GOd in heaven if that's not an assumed absolute then I never saw one...Do you guys really ever examine your thinking? Is it that hard to see what I'm saying?

My head is going to explode!Useful???

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More Effective???For what assumed purpose that is then the absolute meaning of life?

My considered opinion is that there ain't no such thing.

Again, what does anything in your message have to do with whether or not morality is absolute or relative. And frankly, you do not know what you are talking about. I do not hate GOD, in fact, I am a Christian, have started a church, personally helped build two churches and taught Sunday school for both adults and kids.Making unfounded statements like you do add nothing to your message.The issue is whether morality is absolute or relative. If you position is that it is absolute then you need to present evidence or argument of why you think it is absolute. Pick something that you think you can support and then stick to trying to make your best possible case.Quite misrepresenting what people say. Where have I said I hate the ten commandments?If you believe I'm a liar, then show where I have lied or apologize immediately (by the way, calling another memeber here a liar, even if true, is grounds for getting banned).If I'm an adulterer, bring on the proof. If you don't have such proof, then apologize.Stick to the topic. It is your topic. Is morality absolute or relative? Did Jesus say that if your ass fell in a crack on the sabbath you should go pull it out instead of waiting 'till the next day?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What, you find that a contentious statement? I would think you would find it pretty obvious that people don't like to live in chaos. Isn't that exactly what your side tells us will happen if there's no morals?

Genius can do that, sometimes.Try to concentrate more on responding to points raised and concentrate less on simply repeating the statements of your opponents with a bunch of question marks at the end.

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because you are a liar, an adulterer, a God hater, and otherwise insulant arrogant bastard like the rest of us...

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Do you hate Santa Claus?What about Krishna?The Great Galactic Goat?