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Topic: Is morality absolute or relative?
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nwr
Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 76 of 150 (320333)
06-10-2006 11:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Rob
06-10-2006 10:27 PM
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Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
There are no crimes unless there are morals... If we're just making them up, then tell us so, and quit judging other people...
What makes something a crime, is that it is contrary to the laws. Laws and morals are not the same thing. Incidently, laws are made by humans, so are relative to the decisions of those humans.
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Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 77 of 150 (320335)
06-10-2006 11:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Coragyps
06-10-2006 11:05 PM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
the absolute meaning of life My considered opinion is that 'there ain't no such thing'. That is your absolute. Everybodys got one, because we can't say what is true without one. The truth is absolute!
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 78 of 150 (320337)
06-11-2006 12:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 76 by nwr
06-10-2006 11:54 PM
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Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
Incidently, laws are made by humans, so are relative to the decisions of those humans Do humans have the right to impose their morality?
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nwr
Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 79 of 150 (320342)
06-11-2006 12:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:00 AM
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Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
Incidently, laws are made by humans, so are relative to the decisions of those humans Do humans have the right to impose their morality?
Again, you are confusing laws and morality. The members legislative bodies have the right to impose laws, subject to the constraints of the constitution.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 80 of 150 (320345)
06-11-2006 12:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:00 AM
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Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
Do humans have the right to impose their morality? Communities of humans have the right to arrive at a compromise about what morals that community will enforce, yes.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 81 of 150 (320347)
06-11-2006 12:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by crashfrog
06-10-2006 11:22 PM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I would think you would find it pretty obvious that people don't like to live in chaos. Isn't that exactly what your side tells us will happen if there's no morals? Absolutely! I'm just shocked that you believe a human being can impose morals on another human being. I mean, you think laws are based on morals that are man-made. Yet you think one man has the right to impose on another. I think only God has that right. So when I support a law, it is with the understanding that it is true, for example, that we shall not kill. And that to do so is a crime against God more so than myself.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 82 of 150 (320349)
06-11-2006 12:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 79 by nwr
06-11-2006 12:03 AM
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Re: lets be fair now... I've always admitted when I'm outdone...
I'm not Confused at all.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 83 of 150 (320350)
06-11-2006 12:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:07 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I'm just shocked that you believe a human being can impose morals on another human being. Why?
I mean, you think laws are based on morals that are man-made. Yet you think one man has the right to impose on another. Sounds about right, yeah. What about that is surprising to you?
And that to do so is a crime against God more so than myself. So, you only do the right thing because God is going to hurt you if you don't?
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 84 of 150 (320352)
06-11-2006 12:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 75 by nator
06-10-2006 11:37 PM
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Re: Law has nothing to do with morality.
Do you hate Santa Claus? What about Krishna? The Great Galactic Goat? I hate evil! Especially when I see it in myself.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 85 of 150 (320356)
06-11-2006 12:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 83 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:09 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
So, you only do the right thing because God is going to hurt you if you don't That was beautiful Crash... Right there is the heart of it boy! Harken! I do not do the right thing, and I fear God because my penalty is just! I was honest with Him about it, and was really broken about it. No fakey fakey! I cried like a baby! To my suprise, He died for me. So it is not as though I can be righteous. I'm not! Fortunately He is and He has restored my sight. You guys are the one's who mock 'sin' remember? I'm free from trying to justify myself. I'm a guilty man, who got off scott free. Not because I'm good, but because the judge is good to those willing to face the music. Your already guiltless, and it is that attitude that blinds you! You will die not because you sinned so much as because you refuse to admit it. Without opening your hearts to that, you will never see! I pray that will change! Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 86 of 150 (320357)
06-11-2006 12:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 85 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:20 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I don't get it. Is this stuff that you think we haven't heard before?
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 87 of 150 (320361)
06-11-2006 12:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 86 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:23 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I don't get it.
Is this stuff that you think we haven't heard before? I really don't know if you've ever heard it before, but I know that you don't get it. I'll say this Crash... no mere man ever convinced me either! Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 88 of 150 (320362)
06-11-2006 12:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 87 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:27 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
I really don't know if you've ever heard it before, but I know that you don't get it. No, I get it. I used to be a Christian just like you, after all. Now, I'm not. Let me repeat that so I'm sure you understand - I totally understand your message. It's absolutely perfectly clear to me. It's also false.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 89 of 150 (320363)
06-11-2006 12:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 88 by crashfrog
06-11-2006 12:28 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
It's also false Fine! Even if it is absolutley true, that doesn't mean you have to believe it! It's either the truest thing in all eternity, or the most damnable lie that ever was! Whatever the case... 'It is absolute!' Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 90 of 150 (320364)
06-11-2006 12:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 89 by Rob
06-11-2006 12:32 AM
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Re: don't you get it... imean c'mon!
You see why no man ever convinced me???? Because I'm not ' that' good... Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
Any biters in the stream?
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