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Author Topic:   Is morality absolute or relative?
Rob 
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Message 129 of 150 (320515)
06-11-2006 1:39 PM


absolute reason, and absolute morals
God did not create reason, it is an integral part of His nature. It cannot serve to cover the truth, for it will only expose whatever it covers.

In the same way, morality is not an invention of God, but an integral part of His nature. His goodness cannot hide what is bad, but will expose whatever it touches.

So reason and morality are inextricably linked. You cannot deny the absolute nature of morality, without deny the reasoning behind your own declaration.

It is like saying, 'there is no metaphysical realm'.
That is a metaphysical statement...

Or that, 'there is no truth!'
Then that statement is false...

Or that, 'there is no God.'
Then you must be omniscient and therefore God....

Morality is absolute, and I am right about it!

That is why I fled to the cross. Because the truth is, I would be 'rightly' condemned by a 'real' and absolute standard!

If you don't believe that, then you are consistent in saying morality is not absolute. I see no moral requirement to be consistent within your framework, yet you are careful to remain so...

Let us reason together!

Rob


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Rob 
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Message 131 of 150 (320519)
06-11-2006 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by jar
06-11-2006 1:39 PM


Re: Topic Rob
We are still waiting for you to show why you think morality is absolute.

Yes I have jar. Over and over again. You are unable to hear, because you insist that I play by rules that you contend are not real.

You then try to hold me accountable to your rules, even though I am free to play by my own.

I think we are all accountable to God's rules. Otherwise this exchange is meaningless.

I'm not talking about my feelings... but if I am according to you, why do you feel the need to say that I am wrong?


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Rob 
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Message 135 of 150 (320534)
06-11-2006 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Chiroptera
06-11-2006 1:56 PM


Re: absolute reason, and absolute morals
Now, why should I believe that there is an absolute standard?

Because if there is not, then what am I wrong about?

Edited by Rob, : No reason given.


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Rob 
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Message 137 of 150 (320541)
06-11-2006 2:46 PM


Don't you folks get it?
Absolutes are not something you can prove... They are something you cannot deny without talking nonsense!

You cannot prove your existence! How do you know that you are here unless you are omniscient.

"who are you?" and "Where is here?"

You see, we don't have the answers to those questions, but even so, to deny your existence would be the best way to confirm it.

Rene Descartes. Only one thing you can't doubt... That there is a doubter doing the doubting.

Morality is like that. We cannot deny that it is absolute, without implying that it is immoral to suggest that it is.


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Message 138 of 150 (320542)
06-11-2006 2:49 PM
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06-11-2006 2:44 PM


Re: Topic Rob
This is not something unique to Christians, all mankind knows right from wrong, and all mankind is charged to try to do what is right.

My point exactly! It is universal and absolute...


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Message 139 of 150 (320544)
06-11-2006 2:52 PM
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06-11-2006 2:44 PM


Re: Topic Rob
That is why the GOATs are surprised. They think they got it. They KNOW they are saved, and are shocked to find out that all along they were wrong.

There is no wrong according to you...

I have no assurance of salvation. Why do you think I go through all this? I'd be out living it up if I felt good about it.


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Message 140 of 150 (320545)
06-11-2006 2:55 PM
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06-11-2006 2:44 PM


Re: Topic Rob
I only hope that by speaking out I will hopefully be able to show you just how wrong you are.

Welcome to the fundamentalist and judgemental club sucker!

Boys, that was like fishing for crappies in a bath tub. Hey Ernie, give the house another round on me!

Edited by Rob, : No reason given.


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Message 142 of 150 (320547)
06-11-2006 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by jar
06-11-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Quit misrepresenting what I say Rob.
Rob writes:
There is no wrong according to you...

Please point out where I say that. Why is it that so many Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians seem to think that lying for Jesus is okay?

Are you ready jar??????????

Is it absolutely true that I am wrong?

c'mon i'm waiting... yes or no?

Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

Edited by Rob, : No reason given.


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Message 143 of 150 (320548)
06-11-2006 3:02 PM
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06-11-2006 2:59 PM


Re: Quit misrepresenting what I say Rob.
CHECKMATE!

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