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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
NKJ Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth..." It was people who said the earth was flat, Not the word of God.
ROFL.When did you last see a three-dimensional circle, Rob?
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
When did you last see a three-dimensional circle, Rob?
Every time I see a sphere, how about you? Now for God who is omnipresent, I do not know how to even describe what such a perspective would be... I suspect he would relate in the simplest manner possible to us. That way, anyone could understand and at the same time, the arrogant could scoff... The bible often refers to the four corners of the Earth, so I'm just noting that Isaiah didn't say that God sits above the 'square' of the earth. It's worth noting... I confess that it is not proof, but it is not proof for either of us.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I suspect he would relate in the simplest manner possible to us. And "circle" is simpler and less ambiguous than "ball." Right.....
Matthew 4:8 - “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory.” On a spherical Earth? [/OT digression]
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You guys really need to relax. I thought I did a great job of explaining that this whole exercise is just speculation. Even so, you get so offended. Truth is relative remember? What's wrong with my truth? You have yours right? Well, some conclusions are supported by evidence. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
And "circle" is simpler and less ambiguous than "ball." Right..... Yep, you got it... A circle is not necesarily a ball, but a ball is always a circle. It depends on perspective...
Matthew 4:8 - “Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory.” If you ever go to that mountain you will understand. It's an experiential thing. Sorry for any lack of evidence...
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rgb Inactive Member |
Fine, just change the mass and see what happens.
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rgb Inactive Member |
Rob writes
quote:I've been on the continental divide twice. What's your point?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Back to topic, Rob:
There is a galaxy, M33, that has been measured, by trigonometric methods, to be nearly eight hundred thousand parsecs away from us. That means that light from that galaxy takes about two million years to get here. "Exploding stars," novae, have been seen in M33. They must have gone nova about 2,000,000 years ago, or we couldn't see them yet. Their light wouldn't have reached us. Did the creator fella create light from an event that didn't happen - because it would have happened 1,994,000 years before the "fourth day" in Genesis - just to fool us? Or what's going on? Can you explain that to me?
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Did the creator fella create light from an event that didn't happen - because it would have happened 1,994,000 years before the "fourth day" in Genesis - just to fool us? Or what's going on? Can you explain that to me? I don't know! But I think the concept of a fully formed universe is self explanatory. I don't think God fools us per se'. I think we fool ourselves in believing we can prove anything. And that's a remarkable thing when you think about it. Like I said earlier, if I had to understand all this stuff to believe it, then I couldn't even believe I exist. But I have tremendous faith that I do, and that I am typing a reasonable response to your question. We're not God, so why don't you ask Him some of these things?
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Mespo Member (Idle past 2913 days) Posts: 158 From: Mesopotamia, Ohio, USA Joined: |
I don't know! But I think the concept of a fully formed universe is self explanatory The CONCEPT makes sense. But then, if it were so, there would be no need for astronomers or physicists or a whole host of scientists who study the Heavens. Everything they've learned is wrong. (:raig
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
But I think the concept of a fully formed universe is self explanatory. The concept of a fully-formed universe appearing that way a few thousands of years ago is utterly absurd, though. We have libraries full of data that show that all those galaxies out there are VERY OLD. All those stars that you can see at night are VERY OLD - half a million up to twelve billion years old. And the fact that we can see events whose light took millions or billions of years to reach us just eliminates the chance of an "appearance of age" universe unless Loki or Coyote is the God in Charge. Surely the Christian God isn't the Author of Lies, eh?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
We're not God, so why don't you ask Him some of these things? He never picks up, and never calls back when I leave messages on His machine. You ask, and tell us what He says.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
The CONCEPT makes sense. But then, if it were so, there would be no need for astronomers or physicists or a whole host of scientists who study the Heavens. Everything they've learned is wrong. No not everything. In fact look at Galileo... the church wanted to cut his throat, but he was right. The sun rises the sun sets. It is true... Where we run into problems is in interpretation. The church seemed to think it meant that the Earth stood still. They were wrong. Science can do the same thing. Consider Einsteins view: ...But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. To me it is not the facts that are the problem, it is the lens by which we look at them.
The turning point in our lives is when we stop seeking the God we want and start seeking the God who is. --- Patrick Morley
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
The concept of a fully-formed universe appearing that way a few thousands of years ago is utterly absurd, though. We have libraries full of data that show that all those galaxies out there are VERY Old. All those stars that you can see at night are VERY OLD - half a million up to twelve billion years old. And the fact that we can see events whose light took millions or billions of years to reach us just eliminates the chance of an "appearance of age" universe unless Loki or Coyote is the God in Charge. Surely the Christian God isn't the Author of Lies, eh? Sorry man, I just don't see the problem when assuming God is omnipotent. That just so happens to be the character of the biblical God. Anything is possible! We must keep an open mind.
You think you are too intelligent to believe in God. I am not like you. --Napoleon Bonaparte
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5877 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
He never picks up, and never calls back when I leave messages on His machine. You ask, and tell us what He says. Touche'... You have to talk to Him by His rules. First, you must give up your whole life and let Him spiritually possess you. He bought and paid for us. It's just too high a price for a lot of people and sounds really bizarre.
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