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Author Topic:   Officer refuses to go to Iraq
iano
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Message 5 of 41 (322537)
06-17-2006 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jmrozi1
06-16-2006 3:31 PM


Black Gold
Though the “true intentions” and effectiveness of his plan are debatable, what is being done is for the sake of Iraq, which in turn affects the security of our nation.
If debatable, I would disagree that the motivation for what is being done in Iraq has anything at all to do with benefitting the Iraqi people. Benefits might well be side effects but they never informed the motivation - except in so far as they assisted and enabled expression of the motivation.
The core motivation? Security of your nations (and by extension mine) desire for a secure oil supply. Secure oil supplies mean world economic stability.
Someone has to have a grip on the balance of power in the region. It might as well be the U.S.

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iano
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Message 7 of 41 (323306)
06-19-2006 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by kuresu
06-17-2006 10:43 PM


Re: Black Gold
Not that that has helped OUR oil prices. I was looking at figures recently, and Exxon-mobil is ripping us off. You wouldn't imagine their approximate profit margine.
Those prices would pale into insignificance compared to what would happen were there some implosion in a volatile middle east. The lesser of two economic evils I imagine the thinking to be
As for you take on the art of Geopolitics. Whilst Bushes way might involve lying and deceit it did allow the job to get done. Such honesty as you require of him does not for effective politics make.
Like, if your going to get a media-influenced world opinion to swallow a bitter pill its better to file off the square edges first.

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iano
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Message 10 of 41 (323483)
06-19-2006 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by kuresu
06-19-2006 6:33 PM


Re: Black Gold
My own understanding of the strategic importance of oil to the worlds economy leads me to thinking that lying and deceit are only the tip of the iceberg of what has and is going on.
Neither do I suppose that the President of the United States is the man making all the decisions here. He has a veritable nest of vipers to contend with both inside and outside his team.
Its Mr President... not Fuhrher.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 21 of 41 (326204)
06-25-2006 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Tal
06-25-2006 8:15 PM


Re: Black Gold
And forget oil. If that's all that mattered then yes, we would have simply rolled into Saudi or Venezuala and taken over the oil fields
Is this not a bit too simplistic? Taking limited action to eliminate a risk of destabilising oil supplies (Saddam) is something which is politically possible. Others may huff and puff about it and be a little pissed at the US getting the jump in terms of regional influence..
Taking over the worlds oil supply is a different matter altogether. Politically and militarily it would be suicide.

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