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rgb
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Message 5 of 112 (321881)
06-15-2006 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
06-15-2006 8:54 AM


riverrat rights
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Regardless of everything I just said, I have decided to be for same-sex marriage in our government, and let God deal with it.
I'm sorry to hear you have decided to start supporting same sex marriage in the government. As a nation, we must fight to keep same sex marriage out of churches and public institutions. We must protect our right not to have same sex marriage in this nation. And as a nation, we will be judged.

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rgb
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Message 7 of 112 (321892)
06-15-2006 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by sidelined
06-15-2006 1:13 PM


If the Francais comes in and want you to change the definition of the word "email" into both electronic mail and oral sex, wouldn't you fight to keep "email" the way it is?

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rgb
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Message 23 of 112 (322053)
06-15-2006 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by riVeRraT
06-15-2006 5:23 PM


riverrat writes
quote:
I don't think it's fair what you are doing. You realilze what you are demonstrating to me?
Nothing I have said is original. As a matter of fact, I plagarized some of it from your posts.

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rgb
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Message 29 of 112 (322284)
06-16-2006 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by riVeRraT
06-16-2006 9:08 AM


riverrat writes
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Sorry, I never said that.
That bit is from your buddie Faith (and a little bit from iano).
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Yes, it is, it's all lies. How can you have a intelligent debate when you don't speak truths?
Take a deep breath and go back and look at the past gay marriage threads.
Because of my upbringing, I had been a racist, sexist, homophobe, anti-semantic, and just about every other type of hateful person. I don't deny that shameful part of me, and I remember exactly all my "arguments" I had for why all "those people" were bad people.
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From what you have told me in chat, to now, are 2 very different things. I can't take you seriously on anything you say from here on out. Nobody else should either.
Have you ever heard of the term "preach of contract"?
Riverrat, I see that in the past when you were against publicgay marriage you were uncomfortable with people who disagreed with you. And now that you have changed your mind, you are uncomfortable with people who disagree with you. Perhaps it's time you try to see this from the side of the debate you used to dislike?

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rgb
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Message 30 of 112 (322291)
06-16-2006 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Jazzns
06-16-2006 12:06 PM


Jazzns writes
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Such an ideology would not be based on the Bible as far as I know. I can think of no scripture, other than the OT story of God striking down someone for "pulling out", that describes non-procreative sex within marriage as fornication.
Matthew 5:17-19 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
Jesus never mentioned about specific sexual acts, but he did repeatedly referred to the sexual immoralities that were mentioned in the OT.

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rgb
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Message 35 of 112 (322333)
06-16-2006 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by riVeRraT
06-16-2006 1:22 PM


riverrat writes
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I haven't really changed my heart on how I feel about it, only decided not to push this view on the world/nation.
The fact that you have decided to stop pushing your view onto the world is a change itself.
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I see things from all sides, always, I have been one many sides already.
Forgive me, but I simply disagree.
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I was never uncomfortable with people who disagree with me. I embrace the freedom we share in being able to disagree, and would rescue anyone on this forum from a burning car with my life, if I had the chance.
While you might be embracing this freedom now, you did not embrace it in the past.
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I just want you to be honest in who and what you are, and argue from that standpoint, and not play devils advocate.
Who said I was playing devil's advocate?
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This way there can be some relative meaning to your words.
The all seeing eyes of the rat talking?

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rgb
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Message 36 of 112 (322336)
06-16-2006 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Jazzns
06-16-2006 1:23 PM


Jazzns writes
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The guy that got God's wrath for "pulling out" was because he was denying his brother an heir, not because he getting jiggy with his new wife only to get his rocks off.
In Animal Farm, the law isn't really about sleeping on human beds. It's about sleeping on human beds with sheets.
In just about everything that has ever been written, if you really wanted to you can nitpick it to a a point where the assertion supports your own view.
Edited by rgb, : No reason given.

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rgb
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Message 39 of 112 (322406)
06-16-2006 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Jazzns
06-16-2006 3:54 PM


Jazzns writes
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But even if I do have an invalid interpretation it does not matter. Like I said before, even if homosexuality is a sin in the eyes of God there is no reason for Christians to deny same-sex marriages.
Christians don't see it as denying anyone any right he hasn't already has. They see it as not giving a priviledge to anyone. Everyone has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. Everyone, including gay people, have such right.

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rgb
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Message 46 of 112 (322429)
06-16-2006 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Jazzns
06-16-2006 9:04 PM


Jazzns writes
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Have you actually been reading my posts or do you just reply to the first sentence that wags your tail?
When I converse with someone on here, I read everything they write. I try to respond to each point accordingly. However, sometimes I ignore (or seem to ignore) certain points people make because (1) I can't counter, (2) it's over my head, (3) I haven't made up my mind on the issue yet, (4) I agree with it, (5) I want to procrastinate on getting to it and hoping that I'd forget about it later, or (6) these points don't wag my tail.
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And my point is if you haven't notice that those Christians are not basing such a view on anything but their own need to be the arbiter of morals in this world.
I can't speak for all christians. I can only speak for the ones I know.
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It is not Bibilical and it is hypocritical given the other sins of the heart that are ignored over this issue of homosexuality.
As has been repeatedly pointed out by some people, all sins are.....
Anyway, the reason this issue seems to be hyped up so much over the others is because for some reason or other people are more interested in it. Try to go to those philosophical debates regularly held on college campuses. You'd notice that whenever the topic has anything to do with sex the room is always packed.

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rgb
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Message 55 of 112 (322674)
06-17-2006 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by riVeRraT
06-17-2006 12:43 PM


riverrat writes
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You know what, I wish I knew why I "hated" to look at it too. That bothers me about myself. I probably shouldn't have used the word hate, but dislike.
I suppose the feeling you get when you see same sex couples is somewhat like the feeling I get when I see people with big fat thighs eating big macs, KFC, super duper double layered whoppers, etc. This feeling comes from the fact that I am a health freak who watches everything that I eat and pay regular visits to the gym. You could actually make the comparason between me getting a panick attack when I gained a few pounds back in college and you finding yourself be aroused a little bit by a person of the same sex as you.
If anything, this sort of feeling is present in everyone because noone is a perfect person. My weakness seems to be about a healthy lifestyle and yours seems to be about sexual arousal.

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rgb
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Message 56 of 112 (322676)
06-17-2006 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by mike the wiz
06-17-2006 1:06 PM


Mike the wiz writes
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You see, all I know is that the scriptures only mentioned what sex is for. I didn't see that it said, "and when the gays rise up, support them in their gayness".
I'm just a little curious. What do you think about genetically engineered foods? How about selectively bred dogs? The scripture mentions plenty on the treatment of your animal and which ones are fine to eat and which ones are dirty, but as far as I know there is no mention of genetic engineering or selective breeding anywhere. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

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rgb
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Message 94 of 112 (325454)
06-23-2006 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by riVeRraT
06-19-2006 6:02 PM


Re: howdi, rat!
riverrat writes
quote:
Let me ask you. Do you have any desire to make a child in this life?
For every child you want to produce, there are a million more waiting for you to adopt. Perhaps you'd like to consider adopting rather than using your "god-given" ability to pump out children?
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There is way too many needy children in this world, and they come first. I wouldn't want to hinder any chances a needy child might have.
Yes, so perhaps you'd like to adopt at least one of them?
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If he is living in sin, then he is just like the rest of us. I am sure the church would not recognize that second marriage either.
Which church are you referring to?

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rgb
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Message 95 of 112 (325455)
06-23-2006 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by 2ice_baked_taters
06-23-2006 4:02 AM


2ice writes
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An opinion cannot be forced on anyone except by physical force.
People (especially women) who have been in abusive relationships would disagree with you.
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We "accept" these instances because we accept majority rule.
I'm a bit curious about you. Would you consider a law to suppose to represent the majority rule or protect minority rights?

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rgb
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Message 99 of 112 (325565)
06-24-2006 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by riVeRraT
06-24-2006 12:24 AM


Re: howdi, rat!
riverrat writes
quote:
You've dodged the question.
To answer your question, no I have never considered having children. I'm ugly, unintelligent, short-tempered, etc. In other words, I carry a lot of bad traits. The last thing this world needs is another one of me around.

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rgb
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Message 103 of 112 (326183)
06-25-2006 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by riVeRraT
06-24-2006 7:55 PM


Re: howdi, rat!
riverrat writes
quote:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Actually, studies have repeatedly shown that beauty is in fact not in the eye of the beholder.
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and your not unintelligent
Never use a double negative, my teachers used to say.
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and temper can always be fixed
Not really. Your temper depends mostly on your upbringing. Just like your brainwave patterns, it can never be changed except after some kind of a dramatic experience, like dying.
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I have a temper also, doesn't make you a bad guy.
Yes, it does! This is why I am part of the POTCP.
But back to subject, my previous post was only in good humor.
The real answer is once upon a time I wanted to have children of my own. It was also the time when I thought that people of other races were inferior to me, that women should stay home to cook and make babies, that the holocaust didn't happen and if it did the Jews deserved it, and that gays should all be shot.
But after Apollo spoke to me and Zeus struck me with his lightning rod, I realized that my future resources could be better spent on the kids that really need help and not to create more kids. The urge to have your flesh and blood as your children is primal, one that any moral person with a free will ought to be able to overcome.

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