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Modulous
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Message 196 of 203 (320061)
06-10-2006 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
06-10-2006 1:56 PM


Re: Babel and racism
AiG discusses the inter racial marriage issue...and I'm sure you are able to see how people can take a step from that to total racism thinking that it is justified by their religion.

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Modulous
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Message 197 of 203 (320067)
06-10-2006 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by randman
06-10-2006 2:25 PM


Re: the 'no true' dillemma
That was an aberration brought on by Catholic mixing of Christianity with the Roman Empire. It came on much later and ended, and so was not part of original or current Christianity.
An aberration? Heh. But seriously it was motivated by the Christian teaching much like the extreme jihad is motivated by Islam. I can easily say that violent extremism was not part of original Islam.
Good point. The Old Testament wasn't that peaceful, was it?
Right - it could be quite vengeful. And so it goes with Qur'an - indeed some contemporary writers thought that Muhammed was teaching the Old Testament. However, the Qur'an is more peaceful in that it does command that if your enemies parley for peace you should cease your activities (for surely Allah is Merciful, Benevolent and Just). For example 2:190+,
quote:
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
So yeah - if you get oppressed, fight them, slay them, slaughter them. If they cease, then your Faith in Allah prevails, justice is returned and you should cease hostility.
I have said plenty of times that Islam has violence in it, but I've only read self-defense verses, that commands you cease when your enemy stops its transgressions. IT is not the pacifism of Christianity (and that particular aspect of Christianity is oft-ignored by so-called Christians using the crutch that they aren't perfect so its ok to ignore the bits they don't like), but it isn't the lunatic madness that the extremists peddle (it indeed says not to transgress limits - I'm fairly sure raping random citizens would be transgressing limits).
Edited by Modulous, : last parenthesis added

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Faith 
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Message 198 of 203 (320135)
06-10-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Buzsaw
06-09-2006 10:23 PM


To BUZ: Off Topic about email disconnect
Hi Buz,
This is certainly off topic but you'll be notified of it, I assume, so I'm posting to you to let you know that I've answered your two emails today though you say you have received nothing. I did not receive anything before the two today, however. That might have been my spam filter or I didn't recognize it so deleted it. You might try your spam filter in case that's what's happening to mine.
Faith.
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Buzsaw
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Message 199 of 203 (320657)
06-11-2006 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Modulous
06-10-2006 5:39 PM


Re: Mohamed Himself Violent
Modulous writes:
I can easily say that violent extremism was not part of original Islam.
Easily? LOL. Better study up on the extreme terrorism of the prophet Mohammed himself and his raiders, Mod.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Modulous
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Message 200 of 203 (320715)
06-12-2006 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Buzsaw
06-11-2006 10:19 PM


Re: Mohamed Himself Violent
Easily? LOL. Better study up on the extreme terrorism of the prophet Mohammed himself and his raiders, Mod.
I didn't say Muhammed committed no 'extreme terrorism'. I said that violent extremism isn't part of original Islam (ie the Qur'an). Muhammed ≠ Islam. If he did, then all Muslims would agree on how the sunnah should be treated, but they don't.

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Message 201 of 203 (321776)
06-15-2006 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Jazzns
06-08-2006 3:08 PM


Well, the actions of the mainline muslims aren't in the spotlight like the terrorists actions are so it can be hard to tell sometimes.
Definitly and that happens in lots of circumstances with the media. The same thing happens against Christianity when only the Robertsons and Fallwells of the world make the news.
Yup, and with Pitbulls too. Its a shame.
The demonstations of the texts are not absolutely clear. Ever consider that your intepretation is wrong and the terrorist's is right?
Yes I have very much so. My standard methodolgy for approaching these types of situations is to examine the evidence and come to a conclusion based on that evidence. In this case I have read the Koran and the verses being discussed and in the context of the passages I can in no way see them as calls to religious imperialism. I have heard the arguments from the other side but all I see is them taking those quotes and removing all the surrounding context to produce their conclusion.
Yeah, that happens all too often. Especially on this forum.
If they have some OTHER kind of convincing argument about why I should accept their interpretation over mine, which also happens to be the mainstream one, then they have yet to present it.
Well I think the interpretation should be something you come up with yourself and suplimented with other peoples opinions. It doesn't look very hard for Islam to be portrayed as....lemme just type 'bad'. Of course, its not that hard to do to christianity either. But, IMHO, christianity is not as 'bad' as islam.
Moslem, Muslim . vowels in the language are sort of flexible.
Why do you choose the spelling that you do? Why spell it different than everyone else in the thread?

Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
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Jazzns
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Message 202 of 203 (322154)
06-16-2006 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2006 8:59 AM


Well I think the interpretation should be something you come up with yourself and suplimented with other peoples opinions. It doesn't look very hard for Islam to be portrayed as....lemme just type 'bad'. Of course, its not that hard to do to christianity either. But, IMHO, christianity is not as 'bad' as islam.
I tend to agree. That is why I didn't become a Moslem.
Why do you choose the spelling that you do? Why spell it different than everyone else in the thread?
That is just the spelling I was taught. The other way looks weird to me. Then again, my family are generally regarded as the 'hicks' of the arab world. That might have something to do with it. =)

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 203 of 203 (322801)
06-18-2006 4:05 AM
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06-16-2006 8:54 AM


Then again, my family are generally regarded as the 'hicks' of the arab world.
Laugh Out Fucking Loud.
My family are regarded as the 'hicks' of the white christian world.

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