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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Everything we believe factual or not about Christ is faith... exactly. we have not seen. Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I mostly learned that Bright founded the Campus Crusade for Christ. What about this makes him a trustworthy source? Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
...all those references to God, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit... It was all so meaningless and absurd. quote: Ah, so the setting in which Jesus and God are spoken of determines if I will believe or not. That sounds very much like a merchandising/marketing issue to me.
quote: They don't. Nobody does.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Nobody does (know were they will go after the grave) Cept those who know where they themselves are going. You might suspect for another, strongly even. But certainty - thats personal
Ah, so the setting in which Jesus and God are spoken of determines if I will believe or not. No. But it certainly affects the "ugh" factor Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
schrafinator writes: I mostly learned that Bright founded the Campus Crusade for Christ.What about this makes him a trustworthy source? *sigh* I heard a lot of personal anecdotes about the man after he died. Many different sources and all of whom portrayed a well respected man. Of course I don't expect you to acknowledge him based on my word any more than I acknowledge him based on the words of a few...but if you had heard the eulogies, you would know what I mean. BTW why are you so darn skeptical, Schraff? There ARE honest Christians, you know. “There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I don't consider the 'Crusader for Christ' to be a good source for an organisation (having had personal experiance with their attempt to try to convert me when I was in college).
Why should I accept that their founder would be a reliable source for anything?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
In the setting you were in I'm not surprised. A noteworthy if notorius former prime minister of ours died a couple of days ago and was laid out in an open coffin. The photo of him showed a set of Rosary beads intertwined around his dead fingers. The headline
And how do you know that is would not be? Perhaps, it is just a hope, and a comfort for the survivors. At Peace. I wonder how they know that?
Funerals are not for benefit of the deceased, but rather to comfort those people who are left behind. IMO, part of the rituals are to try to reinforced the beliefs of the survivors, because when someone passes away, that is often when the doubts of the survivors surface and can cause them to 'stray'. For me, the rituals of the RCC, (or any religion) is meaningless. For others, it gives comfort. It all depends on what you are used to and expect.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
And you believe the andedotes?
I have personal experiance with the 'Campus Crusaders for Christ' that make me view that entire organisation as very untrustworthy. Why should I view it's founder as 'trustworthy'?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You have a point, ramoss, but you know as well as I that the integrity and compassion (or the lack thereof) of a few campus volunteers can hardly be used to mirror the integrity of the founder.
Christians have scruples, and even among our own kind, we see the sharks. We know Pat Robertson has unexcusible flaws. We know the wolves among the sheep. We also know when a man shows above average integrity. Dr. Bill Bright was such a man. If you can't see or accept my assertion, lets just drop Bright from our discussion.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Nobody does (know were they will go after the grave) quote: But you don't know. Nobody does. That's my point. You believe you'll go somewhere, but you don't know.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
You believe you'll go somewhere, but you don't know. How do you know that?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Yes, let us drop Bill Bright from the discussion. After all, it isn't just the tactics of one or two misguided invididuals, but it is the M.O. of the entire organization I am objecting too, and it continues to this day.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I have not found this to be the case. Many of the Christians I have known personally have tended to believe another Christian is scrupulous and has integrity simply because they are Christian.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You believe you'll go somewhere, but you don't know. quote: That answer is a bullshit derailing tactic, and I'll thank you to not use it again. You believe that you will go somewhere, but you don't know that you will. You cannot know because it is unknowable. Nobody knows, but they may believe.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
How do you know that?
That answer is a bullshit derailing tactic, and I'll thank you to not use it again Might I suggest that you believe I cannot know I am going to heaven but that I only believe that I am going? We've been around this circular track before Schraf. Lets break out by agreeing to differ.
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