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Dr Cresswell
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Message 31 of 202 (31667)
02-07-2003 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Alan Cresswell
02-07-2003 5:38 AM


Just wondering, did you read my last post? In case you missed it, you're site is built on an assertion that the First Law of Thermodynamics is wrong. Without that starting point nothing on your site makes any sense at all. So, can you defend the assertion that the First Law is wrong or not? And claiming that the law says something other than energy is conserved isn't good enough.
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Alan Cresswell
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Message 32 of 202 (32217)
02-14-2003 8:17 AM
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02-07-2003 2:13 PM


I was not notified of this post but......

The 1st law is only 50% perfect. Newton only identifies force when IN PHASE with velocity. This is power not energy. The Bernoulli equation makes the same mistake.

When FORCE leads or lags VELOCITY by 90 degrees, the product is pure ENERGY.

The mistake can only be rectified by marrying the terms together in a cycle of RESONANCE.

This I have done. The result is shattering but inescapably true.


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Dr Cresswell
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Message 33 of 202 (32260)
02-14-2003 1:09 PM
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02-14-2003 8:17 AM


And what has Newton got to do with the First Law of Thermodynamics?
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Alan Cresswell
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Message 34 of 202 (32263)
02-14-2003 1:34 PM
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02-14-2003 1:09 PM


Newton knew nothing about thermodynamics. He never even possesed a thermometer. Joule simply assumed Newton would behave properly. He don't do he ?
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Dr Cresswell
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Message 35 of 202 (32265)
02-14-2003 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Alan Cresswell
02-14-2003 1:34 PM


OK, if we take for argument your position that the development of the laws of thermodynamics builds on Newtonian mechanics, let's look at your critique of Newtonian physics ....

quote:
Newton only identifies force when IN PHASE with velocity.
What the fuck does this mean? To talk of something being in phase implies a wave. Velocity is not a wave, so to talk of something being in phase with it is nonsense. Though you are correct force (rate of change of momentum) is more closely related to power (rate of change of energy) than it is to energy per se - I just don't see where this observation leads.
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When FORCE leads or lags VELOCITY by 90 degrees, the product is pure ENERGY.
Again, this is nonsense as you are using language assuming a wave for a non-wave concept.

Alan


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Alan Cresswell
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Message 36 of 202 (32291)
02-14-2003 6:12 PM
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02-14-2003 2:19 PM


All Quantum mechanics is WAVE by definition. Velocity of light C is the RMS value of a wave. Almost all physical identities are RMS.

Force leading or lagging velocity by 90 degrees is 100% ENERGY.

Newton falls flat here. He calls force in phase with velocity energy. No, No, No. It is power.

Only spin can lead or lag. I combine the two to make the first law of thermo correct and the second redundant.

This can only be done by the phenomena of resonance. Energy and power can only co-exist within a wave periodic time and the sky falls in on your beliefs.


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wj
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Message 37 of 202 (32304)
02-14-2003 10:26 PM
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02-14-2003 6:12 PM


Another one for the pseudoscience list.
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Dr Cresswell
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Message 38 of 202 (32337)
02-15-2003 2:33 PM
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02-14-2003 6:12 PM


I thought we were discussing Newtonian mechanics, not quantum mechanics. You can hardly critise Newton for not understanding quantum mechanics, nor those who developed thermodynamics. Heck, I've a PhD in multi-particle quantum phenomena and have difficulty understanding quantum mechanics at times. Especially when you try and explain it ...

Can you explain why a discussion of QM is relevant to theories based on classical physics? Or are you claiming that the whole of classical physics is junk because it (to an extent) fails at the extremes of very small or very fast?

Alan


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Alan Cresswell
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Message 39 of 202 (32350)
02-16-2003 12:32 AM
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02-15-2003 2:33 PM


Small and fast. Big or tiny. Makes no difference. There is only one way to the truth and Isaac Newton, nearly 400 years ago, never scratched the surface of it
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Alan Cresswell
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Message 40 of 202 (32351)
02-16-2003 12:37 AM
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02-14-2003 10:26 PM


Have you ever thought about why you exist Thicky
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Dr Cresswell
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Message 41 of 202 (32356)
02-16-2003 7:39 AM
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02-16-2003 12:32 AM


Fundamentally scale and speed make no real difference - assuming a genuine theory of everything that combines quantum mechanics and general relativity exists. However, there is no doubt that within everyday scales and energies Newtonian mechanics is accurate. It isn't "true" in the sense that it fails at velocities close to the speed of light (where Relativity is required) and atomic scales (where Quantum Mechanics rules). However, in discussing the First Law of Thermodynamics (and specifically your rather, ahem, unconventional formulation of it as heat=energy) we are dealing in everyday scales and energies (though it should be noted that energy is conserved in quantum mechanical or relativistic systems as well).

Alan


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Alan Cresswell
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Message 42 of 202 (32362)
02-16-2003 9:52 AM
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02-16-2003 7:39 AM


YOU ARE LYING IN THE IRAQUI DESERT. YOUR BALLS ARE SHOT AWAY AND YOU ARE HOLDING ON TO YOUR WET SLIPPERY INTESTINES.

YOU SAY PLEASE HELP ME IN THE NAME OF THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. THERE IS NO HELP. 50 MILLION HAVE PERISHED THIS CENTURY FOR THIS MADNESS.

HELP YOURSELF. THE BUSH BLAIR ALLIANCE IS BASED ON POLITICAL AND SCIENTIFIC IGNORANCE.

I BOUGHT THE COMPUTER TO POST THE MESSAGE. I HAVE NO WISH TO INSULT YOU. I NEED YOUR HELP. 50 MILLION OTHER PEOPLE ALSO LOOK TO YOU.

LETS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Message 43 of 202 (32365)
02-16-2003 10:03 AM
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02-16-2003 9:52 AM


This post is off-topic. Please delete the contents and repost to one of the relevant threads in the Coffee House forum. Thanks!

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John
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Message 44 of 202 (32366)
02-16-2003 10:04 AM
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02-16-2003 9:52 AM


uh-huh....

I'm assuming you mean the war is about oil and your technology will make oil irrelevant.

Ship me a working model of your device. Then I'll help. Right now, I don't believe your story.

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Percy
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Message 45 of 202 (32368)
02-16-2003 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Alan Cresswell
02-14-2003 6:12 PM


Alan Cresswell writes:

Velocity of light C is the RMS value of a wave.

I'm curious, how do you get units of velocity from the RMS of a wave?

--Percy


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