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jar
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Message 16 of 56 (323511)
06-19-2006 7:29 PM
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06-19-2006 7:24 PM


There is one other. If you watch the video their procedures are so bad, so lax, so sophomoric that should ANYTHING from their find be considered evidence.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Chiroptera
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Message 17 of 56 (323514)
06-19-2006 7:31 PM
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06-19-2006 7:29 PM


Unfortuantely, I couldn't watch their video on my platform at home; something needs an update, I think. I'll try if and when I get to the office tomorrow.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Typo.

"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
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jar
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Message 18 of 56 (323516)
06-19-2006 7:37 PM
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06-19-2006 7:31 PM


Hardly worthwhile. They show folk just brushing stuff out of the way, moving stuff that was inplace to make the pic better, and not a clipboard, not a single marker, no grid, no control.
Frankly, the site has been poisoned now and is pretty much worthless just based on their own video.
What a total joke and CF.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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MangyTiger
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Message 19 of 56 (323520)
06-19-2006 7:40 PM
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06-19-2006 7:19 PM


Error in your link
Your link to 7 actually points to 14...

Never put off until tomorrow what you can put off until the day after

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arachnophilia
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Message 20 of 56 (323530)
06-19-2006 7:59 PM
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06-19-2006 7:40 PM


Re: Error in your link
ah damn. fixed now. stupid copy/paste errors...

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arachnophilia
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Message 21 of 56 (323532)
06-19-2006 8:01 PM
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06-19-2006 7:24 PM


My intent was to bring up yet another issue that needs to be resolved in this "discovery". So far we now three separate issues that should be addressed to evaluate the significance of this 'discovery":
(1) Are these rocks petrified wood?
(2) Was the original wood worked by humans?
(3) What is the significance of a manufactured wooden structure (petrified or not) found on a mountain in Iran?
Even if (1) and (2) can be answered "yes" (and I don't mean to claim they aren't important questions in their own right), we would still need to ask "A manufactured wooden structure has been found on an Iranian mountain; so what?"
yes, true.
but if 1 is true, and these are petrified wood, it makes the validity even harder to maintain.


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arachnophilia
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Message 22 of 56 (323539)
06-19-2006 8:08 PM
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06-19-2006 7:31 PM


Unfortuantely, I couldn't watch their video on my platform at home; something needs an update, I think. I'll try if and when I get to the office tomorrow.
whoever wrote that flash player deserves to be drug out into the street and shot. it doesn't load the movie into memory in a sensible way, but rather reloads from whatever point you start the movie at. so if you back track, it has to wait and reload the rest of the movie again. if you watch it once, and want to see it again, you have load the movie again.
bad, bad, bad.


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Chiroptera
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Message 23 of 56 (323550)
06-19-2006 8:22 PM
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06-19-2006 6:29 PM


Re: Shale
Actually, the video does work at home; I just had to wait forever for it to load.
The video looks like a shale outcrop to me, too. But then, I'm not familiar with how petrified wood can appear.

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Message 24 of 56 (323567)
06-19-2006 8:39 PM
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06-19-2006 8:22 PM


Re: Shale
some of the more round pieces they were holding might have been petrified wood. again -- i can't really tell.

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Message 25 of 56 (323593)
06-19-2006 9:32 PM
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06-19-2006 5:42 PM


I hear what you are saying, and you are of course right to insinuate that such a discovery is somewhat negligible. The most that could be said is that humans possessed wood-manufacturing technology much earlier than once anticipated. There remains no direct link to a specific group of people nor an event, and any connection made between the find and the Noahic myth is highly speculative. The very existence of such a man as "Noah" remains uncertain; the function of the manufactured wood remains uncertain; the fate of the object uncertain. In the end, we have what amounts to an undiscernible pile of wood.

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Message 26 of 56 (323620)
06-19-2006 10:43 PM
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06-19-2006 9:32 PM


quote:
The most that could be said is that humans possessed wood-manufacturing technology much earlier than once anticipated.
Not even that, unless the remains can be reliably dated. How long have humans been constructing wooden structures? For a long, long time, I imagine. The Sweet Track is a 6000 year old Neolithic engineered roadway, for example.

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Message 27 of 56 (329109)
07-05-2006 10:04 PM
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06-19-2006 3:13 PM


additional links
Here is another link.
ArkFever.com is for sale | HugeDomains
Has Noah's Ark Been Found? - ABC News
quote:
Even more intriguing, some of the wood-like rocks were tested just this week and actually proved to be petrified wood, and it is noteworthy that Scripture recounts Noah sealed his ark with pitcha decidedly black substance. Upon being cut open, one of these rocks also divulged a marine fossil that could have only originated undersea.
I once watched a video of these twos guys who go into a country (illegally) and find where the burning bush was, and the ten commandments happened. They also discovered where Moses crossed the red sea. Most of to me look circumstantial, plus the twos guys had no credentials. I think it was close to Egypt.
But the one thing that stuck out in my mind was that the top of that mountain was black, like it was set on fire, where as everything else around was brown. There was no petrified wood, but it looked burnt. So maybe this black feature is a common occurrence in the brown desert? In places like Egypt, and Iran?

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anglagard
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Message 28 of 56 (329125)
07-05-2006 10:45 PM
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07-05-2006 10:04 PM


Shale
There was no petrified wood, but it looked burnt. So maybe this black feature is a common occurrence in the brown desert? In places like Egypt, and Iran?
Much of the shale I have seen is dark in color regardless of where it came from.
... and all of the Basalt I have seen is also quite dark.
Edited by anglagard, : add basalt, thanks for suggestion Jar.

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Message 29 of 56 (329137)
07-05-2006 11:14 PM


so we have a shipwreck resting at 13,000 feet?
So these are the facts thus far, awaiting full confirmation, of course.
1. We have a site resting at over 13,000 feet.
2. It looks like wood beams that have petrified, and it has tested positive as petrified wood.
3. The authors say it looks and is shaped in an ark-like manner and is within the range of dimensions mentioned in the Bible for the Ark.
4. They speculate it is Noah's Ark.
Seems logical to me. Anyone else have a better explanation for why a large, ark-like manmade tructure is sitting, half-buried over 13,000 feet?
I suppose the best skeptical argument would be it's a structure of some kind but not a ship or ark. But what if it turns out to be shaped indeed like Noah's Ark after others review the site?

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arachnophilia
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Message 30 of 56 (329143)
07-05-2006 11:31 PM
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07-05-2006 11:14 PM


Re: so we have a shipwreck resting at 13,000 feet?
2. It looks like wood beams that have petrified,
most of the material photographed looks like shale/slate. the stuff that does look like wood does not display tree-rings or wood grain. rather, on close examination, it looks like metamorphic rock -- ie: not wood.
and it has tested positive as petrified wood.
according to the authors.
3. The authors say it looks and is shaped in an ark-like manner
all the tbis they photographed look like regular outcroppings of shale/slate. if there is an underlying structure of a boat, it cannot be seen from the photographs.
and is within the range of dimensions mentioned in the Bible for the Ark.
which are apparently highly flexible, depending how you measure a cubit.
4. They speculate it is Noah's Ark.
Seems logical to me
doesn't to me. it's quite a jump in logic.
Anyone else have a better explanation for why a large, ark-like manmade tructure is sitting, half-buried over 13,000 feet?
it might not be man-made. and if it is, it might not be a boat. and if it is a boat, there's no reason to assume it's NOAH'S boat. that's THREE non-sequitor logical fallacies in a row that you have to jump over to get to "it's noah's ark."
But what if it turns out to be shaped indeed like Noah's Ark after others review the site?
you mean, like the other ark site?


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