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Author Topic:   What specific evidence would people require to believe in God's existence?
Rob 
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Message 16 of 222 (323659)
06-19-2006 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by crashfrog
06-19-2006 6:01 PM


oops! wrong thread...

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Rob 
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Message 17 of 222 (323663)
06-20-2006 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by nwr
06-19-2006 11:57 PM


We're sinners
That's truth, that's fact. That's where the portal into reality starts.
No go there?
NO go for you!
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Message 18 of 222 (323664)
06-20-2006 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Rob
06-20-2006 12:01 AM


Second warning for Rob
This contributes nothing to the progress of this thread. You have been warned again.

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Rob 
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Message 19 of 222 (323673)
06-20-2006 12:32 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by AdminNosy
06-20-2006 12:06 AM


Re: Second warning for Rob
There was no condition to not reply.
Please If I may indulge you sir. This thread is about what is required to believe in God. I wrote a response that I thought was lighthearted and meaningful. One of the regulars who is given incredible grace, permit, and license by the administrators (and who I believe is part of the admin) took the opprotunity to personally attack the faith of people in a very clever yet transparent response to my post.
My post has everything to do with evidence of God's existence, and that thread carries even into this reply...
It is not a difficult concept. It is one of the most obvious and glaring facts in life. That we are all sinners. We love to point it out in others, but somehow cannot bring ourselves to see it in the mirror.
That is God's only trick on us. It is His way of excluding the dishonest. It takes honesty to see one's own sin. But if you can do it, then all of reality begins to make sense. He placed all of our sight behind that one simple and tiny thread in the truth. And it is the one thing we cannot deny, and the one that we resist with the most outrageous passion and fire.
The evidence for God is right there on your conscious... That is my opinion. I don't see the need for the threats! Am I not allowed to respond to antagonists? My address is available to all. If you have a personal beef, feel freee to engage me in private. I would do the same, but the worst of the offenders do not give me that luxury and hide behind their web...
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Message 20 of 222 (323675)
06-20-2006 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Rob
06-20-2006 12:32 AM


Discussing admin issues
Sorry Rob, I should have noted that there is a separate thread for moderation issues. Please take it there. See my signiture (I hope it is up to date).
I am not at all convinced by your sermon.
If you wish to post here make it clear what evidence you would need to believe in God. It may be that you don't need any; in that case leave the thread alone.

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Message 21 of 222 (323682)
06-20-2006 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mjfloresta
06-15-2006 12:21 AM


My 2 cents
mjfloresta writes:
Over and over again it has been claimed that there is no evidence whatsoever of God's existence...despite other's claims to the contrary...
What I would like to know is what specific evidence or at least what types of evidence would people require to believe in the existence of God...
As far as I can see, most people (about 90% I would say) are quite satisfyed with no evidence at all. I'm glad to say I'm not one of them.

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Message 22 of 222 (323697)
06-20-2006 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Rob
06-20-2006 12:32 AM


Re: Second warning for Rob
I'm not sure the we're all sinners statement does anything for your argument. And also the ferocity in which you believe does not translate into others following suit.
You believe while others do not, saying we are all sinners in the eyes of the lord and saying it as fact rings hollow with some one who disagrees with you.

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Rob 
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Message 23 of 222 (323703)
06-20-2006 2:05 AM
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06-20-2006 1:48 AM


Re: Second warning for Rob
I will reply privately by email...

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Message 24 of 222 (323710)
06-20-2006 2:27 AM
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06-20-2006 2:05 AM


Re: Second warning for Rob
And this provides more to the debate how?

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Rob 
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Message 25 of 222 (323711)
06-20-2006 2:30 AM
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06-20-2006 2:27 AM


Re: Second warning for Rob
because it is off topic for this thread! I would love to, but the admins would manifest demons...

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Message 26 of 222 (323715)
06-20-2006 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Rob
06-20-2006 2:30 AM


Re: Second warning for Rob
So you can’t reply because the subject of the debate is “What specific evidence would people require to believe in God's existence?” And instead of evidence you want to preach?
All I’m saying is putting forth guidelines for some specific evidence for God’s existence is all I think is required here. Telling people that your God is going to punish them for not believing as you do is not evidence.

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Message 27 of 222 (323760)
06-20-2006 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mjfloresta
06-15-2006 12:21 AM


Proof of God
here's what would convince me:
Everyone on earth is elevated onto space. Despite the lack of oxygen, we can all breath and don't feel cold. A 'voice' tells us that this is the creator of everything and everyone. Amongst other stuff it tells us things that only we know about ourselves. When we are finally put back down to earth, we each find in our home a book / cd / hard drive / whatever with a recorded transcript of what we've just been told, in our own language and dialect. This recorded medium is indestructible and unalterable. We can verify that everyone on the planet shared the same experience.
That would be all.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Message 28 of 222 (323779)
06-20-2006 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by mjfloresta
06-15-2006 12:21 AM


What I would like to know is what specific evidence or at least what types of evidence would people require to believe in the existence of God...
Here's a few possibilities:
1. Evidence of the dramatic and lasting transformation of converts into kinder and gentler people. No sign of that yet.
2. Replicable miracles featured on the nightly news.
3. An end to the slaughter of innocents, divinely ordered and enforced.
4. An apology for the Garden scam.

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Message 29 of 222 (323790)
06-20-2006 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rob
06-19-2006 11:37 PM


I know you're suspended for a bit, but
You are using the Argument from Ignorance when you say that you can conclude that God exists because of a lack of scientific knowledge.

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Message 30 of 222 (323793)
06-20-2006 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Rob
06-20-2006 12:01 AM


quote:
We're sinners
That's truth, that's fact.
To you it may be truth and fact.
It isn't truth nor fact for everyone.

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