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Author Topic:   Free will: an illusion
Codegate
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Message 232 of 309 (323844)
06-20-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Heathen
06-19-2006 6:38 PM


Re: make a choice free will or All knowing God
Before moving on, I would like to suggest an alternative.
Is it not possible, since God is all knowing that he could see all possibilities the extend outward from the current timeline? If anything, all that is required for this to exist is for you to increase the power of God, which I don't believe any Xian would have an issue with.
Assuming there is an all powerful god, I don't have any issues at all with assuming that he has a complete knowledge of the full 4D universe and all potential permutations of it caused by free will.
The only thing that God doesn't know, is what choices we will make. However, he is fully aware of all possible outcomes of those choices.

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Codegate
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Message 236 of 309 (323852)
06-20-2006 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Heathen
06-20-2006 12:19 PM


Re: make a choice free will or All knowing God
Creavolution writes:
God knows what choices we will make (As he did with A&E in eden), he knows what the outcome will be.
If this is what is being debated, then I have to agree with you 100%. If someone (be it God or anyone else) knows the exact outcome of a future event, then that event is not subject to free will.
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Codegate
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Message 280 of 309 (324318)
06-21-2006 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by PurpleYouko
06-21-2006 9:38 AM


Re: make a choice free will or All knowing God
PurpleYouko writes:
Then this negates the concept of omniscience would you not say?
From a purely literal definition of the word, absolutely. In order for 'free will' to exist there must be a small exception clause.
God knows every possible path that we may take in our lifetimes. That is quite omniscient in my opinion. The exception is, because God gave us the gift of 'free will' he is unable to know which of those paths we will follow. Perhaps because God is also omnipotent he decided to permanently remove his ability to know which choice we would make.
As I think about it, assuming that the Xian god exists this isn't that far of a stretch. Omnipotent and omniscient except where he choose to hide our choices due to free will.
This whole thing has been an interesting thought experiment. Thanks for bringing it up.
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