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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter B,
quote: So we agree our terms, then? Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter B,
quote: I have amended it to be: "A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa." Any evo's disagree, or would like to make an addition? Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with. [This message has been edited by mark24, 02-14-2003] [This message has been edited by mark24, 02-14-2003]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter,
Do we agree terms, or what? Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter,
quote: Does any evo have any criticism of the following definition & defined terms? Comments welcome, even looks good to me is appreciated "A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa." Character: The physical state of a part of the organism whilst it was living. Discrete character: The existence of a separate & distinct physical state as part of the organism. Describing an on/off condition rather than a variable one. Taxa: Biological classification of organisms forming a nested hierarchy of ranks. Any rank is relevant from Kingdom to species. Mix: A combination of. Part way: A condition between two extremes. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Thank you gentlemen, Mr Borger, do you agree?
Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter,
Do you agree with the definition? Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Well?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter B,
If we agree that the prediction of the ToE is that transitional forms exist according to the following definition:
quote: Then I'd like to forward Archaeopteryx as a candidate. The two taxa being reptiles & birds. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter,
quote: What of it? The definition allows for discrete characters that are unique to one taxa or another, so a "fully developed" furcula found in birds, & a fully developed pubic peduncle found in dinosaurs makes the archaeopteryx a transitional form by the definition you agreed to. What taxa it was subsequently shoehorned into is irrelevant. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with. [This message has been edited by mark24, 02-27-2003]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Hel-oooo-ooo
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Well no, Peter, I opened it, so you can't "request" it be closed like the others.
But I await your comments. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
LOL
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter,
quote: Do you think you have won here as well? You are conspicuous in your absence. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Peter,
That's very nice, but your are ignoring the logical inference from the rest of the discussion. We have agreed that a hypothesis/theory is tested by it's predictions, we have also agreed that a prediction of the ToE is that, "a transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa." Archaeopteryx meets this definition. It contains well developed traits possessed by only birds & dinosaurs, "a mix of discrete characters between two taxa". The furcula, feathers, pubic peduncle, abdominal ribs, pygostyle etc. among other dinosaurian characters falls nicely into this definition. Or are you trying to renegotiate the premises we agreed? Your cites problem is that he can't see a furcula form gradually from the fossil evidence. This lack of observation is a lack of evidence, an argument from ignorance. Please address Archaeopteryx with reference to the agreed premises. Mark ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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