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iano
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Message 29 of 101 (320943)
06-12-2006 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Trixie
06-12-2006 4:29 PM


Re: England
Can I point out that we're not anti-English as such, we just can't face another forty years of crowing.
We'll be gunning for the Brits. But it doesn't matter whether they win or not, you WILL hear another 40 years of crowing. At least.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 46 of 101 (322415)
06-16-2006 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by rgb
06-15-2006 1:45 PM


Re:
Congrats to you Brits out there. You just scored the first goal of the game in the 89th minute. Looks like there's a good chance you guys and the Germans will be going at it again.
Doubtful though this scenario is, it is one that we on all sides would love to see.
I can only imagine the total and utter BBC frenzy: the 1966 game would be played in full in the days beforehand - at least 4 times. Computer graphics would be exhibited to show us that 'that' goal was in fact a goal ( Me? I go by the old fashioned notion: if the ref says it was a goal then it was a goal) That old B/W film, "Battle of Britain" would somehow find its way into the pre-match TV schedules. There would very likely be pre-match interviews with 100 year old Cockneys talking about "us wot wun the war"
And on the Emerald Isle? We'd all be rooting for our former conquerors. And genuinely so. War is hell - but it make for lasting friendships.

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iano
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Message 47 of 101 (322416)
06-16-2006 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by rgb
06-15-2006 1:45 PM


Re:
Congrats to you Brits out there. You just scored the first goal of the game in the 89th minute. Looks like there's a good chance you guys and the Germans will be going at it again.
Doubtful though this scenario is, it is one that we on all sides would love to see.
I can only imagine the total and utter BBC frenzy: the 1966 game would be played in full in the days beforehand - at least 4 times. Computer graphics would be exhibited to show us that 'that' goal was in fact a goal ( Me? I go by the old fashioned notion: if the ref says it was a goal then it was a goal) That old B/W film, "Battle of Britain" would somehow find its way into the pre-match TV schedules. There would very likely be pre-match interviews with 100 year old Cockneys talking about "us wot wun the war"
And on the Emerald Isle? We'd all be rooting for our former conquerors. And genuinely so. War is hell - but it make for lasting friendships.

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iano
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Message 55 of 101 (325332)
06-23-2006 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by FliesOnly
06-23-2006 11:49 AM


Re: Kick the ball towards the net!!!!!!!!!!!
Falling over has become a tactical element in the game. Things like corners, free kicks near the goal and penaltys were always advantageous set pieces. The relatively recent injection of copius amounts of money into the game (for tv-rights) means winning has becoming a financial necessity rather than the reward for good competing.
This has resulted in a desire to obtain the opportunity provided by more set pieces - for set pieces can be practiced and increase the chances of a goal more than open play can. From certain positions, a well-taken free kick is nigh on impossible to stop - and relies only on the person taking it (and they practice and practice and practice). Similarily, you might get a tall defender getting substituted for whatever reason, in which case free kicks won from further afield can be lobbed onto the head of a the now-unmarked tall striker - something which would otherwise be headed by the defender out of danger.
There is also applied psychology:
"No impression in the refs mind about my rough play": I can play rough on an opponant when the need really arises to offset a clear danger/
"Ref has the impression I have fouled a few times:" I'm likely to get a yellow card which will seriously curtail my freedom to take serious measures
"I have a yellow card": I now have to be very circumspect - red means I miss future games too.
Reasons to fall over when tackled reflect the desire to neutralise the opponant.
Football has lost its heart - I don't watch it anymore.
(having said all that, bar for a bit of light shin protection, a players is completely unpadded. Raking a fleet-of-foot player down the back of his ankle with your spurs is agonising (for the rakee) and tends to knock the pace off his game.)

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iano
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Message 73 of 101 (326492)
06-26-2006 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by FliesOnly
06-26-2006 9:55 AM


Re: Kick the ball towards the net!!!!!!!!!!!
Who knows, ya might actually score a goal...or get a rebound and then score a goal, or force your opponent off their game cuz you are actually kicking the ball towards the friggen net (something I can virtually guarantee the other team would find "strange and upsetting").
Ireland are relative minnows in world football and in 1990 they qualified for the first time for the World Cup finals in Italy. They managed to make their way to the quarter finals losing 1-0 to Italy - and they could have forced that match to penalites with which they had managed to eliminate Romania with in the match prior to it
The tactics used were the ugliest that ever graced the "beautiful game". And they had all the simplicity of the two step shuffle mechanism involved in ToE
"put 'em under pressure": which meant running around and closing down each and every opposing player who happened to come into possession of the ball. Give 'em no time to think about sensible ways to move the ball around. This forced the opposition into hasty passes (this in the days before pansy-assed diving entered the game and tackles could be real tackles) and mistakes which returned possession to Ireland
"hit Cascarino" Tony Cascarino was a very tall striker. The ball would be lobbed at his head from any point on the pitch. He would get to many of them positioned as he was somewhere near the edge of the box and nod it down to an goalbound teamate - resulting in a strike towards goal or at least confidence-sapping panic amongst the defenders. Even kickouts from our goalie were aimed at him too. Its called the long ball game.
It devastated the oppostion. Not that we scored many goals but the gameplan of the opposition just couldn't deal with these primitive measures. There was a memorable match with England in the group stages where England were held in their own box for a sustained 10 minutes whilst mortar after mortar was lobbed in at them. The panic in the old enemies camp and the resulting wild clearances back at us had all at home rolling around in the pubs. Ireland held both England and the Netherlands to a 1-1 draw in the group stages and squeezed the Netherlands out of the competition to get to the knockout stages
Come the next world cup the opposition had figured out the tactics (which hadn't changed much) a bit but we still managed to scrape into the knockout stages where the Netherlands exacted revenge for our humiliation of them 4 years previously
And that was that for Ireland in the world cup ever since.
Kicking the ball at the goal in hope of something happening is a tactic already tried and shown not to work in the long term. Which is why the apparently more difficult methods currently used are employed as they are. But I suppose some reprise of the Irish system could always catch a team off guard

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