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Message 29 of 111 (325076)
06-22-2006 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by riVeRraT
06-22-2006 10:13 PM


The northern ice cap won't affect the ocean depth, because it is floating anyway. Or to put it differently, because it is floating, it affects the ocean depth about the same whether frozen or melted.
The big concern is with the antarctic ice, which is on land. If it melts, it will enter the oceans.

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nwr
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Message 63 of 111 (325638)
06-24-2006 10:30 AM
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06-24-2006 10:02 AM


Re: Grants are plentiful for global warming research
EZ writes:
(in reply to TC's "You don't think there isn't bias on both sides?") No, I don't think so.
With that statement, you show ignorance. Of course there is bias on both sides. There wouldn't be "both" sides if there weren't bias on both sides. It's ok to be biased. It is the fuel for debate. It's whether the scientific community as a whole listens to both sides of the biased advocates. This is the ugly and beautiful way science distills ideas into believable theories.
I am wondering where you get your ideas about science.

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Message 82 of 111 (326264)
06-26-2006 12:54 AM
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06-26-2006 12:48 AM


Re: Grants are plentiful for global warming research
I am wondering where you get your ideas about science.
It's called "history".
Then you are misreading history.

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nwr
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Message 86 of 111 (326699)
06-27-2006 12:18 AM
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06-26-2006 11:48 PM


Re: Grants are plentiful for global warming research
Let's first review what you were responding to. That takes us back to my Message 63, where we see this exchange:
quote:
EZ writes:
(in reply to TC's "You don't think there isn't bias on both sides?") No, I don't think so.
With that statement, you show ignorance. Of course there is bias on both sides. There wouldn't be "both" sides if there weren't bias on both sides. It's ok to be biased. It is the fuel for debate. It's whether the scientific community as a whole listens to both sides of the biased advocates. This is the ugly and beautiful way science distills ideas into believable theories.
I am wondering where you get your ideas about science.
There were a couple of additional exchanges between us. But it seems to have boiled down to your Message 85 being a response to the above.
So let's look at your response:
Scientists of their argued against:
-Evolution
-Continental Drift
-Cold Fusion (in this case, the others were right)
and so on for just about every controversial hypothesis.
None of these is an example of bias. They are all examples of the conservatism of the scientific community. This conservatism, in the traditional non-political sense, leads to a resistance to theory change. Stick with the existing established theory, until the evidence is so overwhelming that change is forced.
Maybe you consider that bias. I don't.
The question is whether GW-caused-by-humans is significant or insignificant.
The question of the potential damage caused by the carbon dioxide we are dumping in the atmosphere was already being discussed in the 1960s, perhaps earlier. We see the same conservatism here. The scientific community, as a whole, was reluctant to jump onto this bandwagon, and delayed it 40 years. But by now, the evidence is so overwhelming, that they cannot deny it any longer.

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