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Larni

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Message 10 of 111 (323935)
06-20-2006 2:28 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Ragged
06-20-2006 1:06 AM

This is from:

http://www.pacifica.org/programs/fsrn/fsrn_060602.html

RECORD HIGH FOR GREENHOUSE GASES
Carbon dioxide emissions have reached an all-time high, according to new data from the U.N. Climate Secretariat in Bonn, Germany. The United States, responsible for the overwhelming majority of greenhouse gas emissions, has broken a new record by releasing just over 7 billion tons of greenhouse gases in one year.

Seems pretty clear that billions of tonnes of green house gases are getting dumped in the atmosphere.

I can honestly say I do not know any one who doubts we are having an effect on the state of climate out side of the Bush Administration.

If you want to learn and help, go to:

BBC - Science & Nature - Climate Change

You can put your computer to good use when it is idle.

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Message 17 of 111 (324199)
06-21-2006 5:04 AM

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Re: Here are several who doubt...

subbie writes:

Perhaps you can link all of the scientists who doubt the human connection to the Bush administration in some way, but I kind of doubt it.

Point taken.

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Message 23 of 111 (324935)
06-22-2006 2:44 PM

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06-21-2006 3:27 PM

Re: Expansion of the arid subtropics

EZ writes:

Anyone who says otherwise is just a shill for big business and industry that wants 'business as usual' for long enough that they can retire rich - future generation be damned.

Bang on the money mate. I've gone as far to get rid of my car and cycle into work.

Except when it rains

Edited by Larni, : the bit about the bike

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Message 24 of 111 (324938)
06-22-2006 2:52 PM

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06-21-2006 10:12 PM

Re: Grants are plentiful for global warming research

ThingsChange writes:

I don't think there is enough human contribution to global warming to warrant drastic economy-crippling, family-sacrificing measures so that the third world, China and India can skip the sacrifices and prosper at our expense and the environment's expense.

How can you think that way?

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Message 36 of 111 (325295)
06-23-2006 11:28 AM

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06-23-2006 2:55 AM

Re: Dad was right it was always global warming

johfolton writes:

Perhaps the answer is to move industry to the countryside so greenhouse gases could be imparted to the farmer and the earth to disperse greenhouse gases. The more greenhouse gases the more plants grow (aerial fertilizer)to feed the planet.

What kind of an idea is that? How do you fix the CO and CO2 if you cut down all the country side to build power plants?

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Message 61 of 111 (325594)
06-24-2006 5:57 AM

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06-23-2006 2:22 PM

Re: Dad was right it was always global warming

JF writes:

We have a lot of coal that we could burn to increase the carbon dioxide and nitrate levels. We don't need to mass cut forests that could be selective cut.

Why on Earth would we want to do this? Even if, as you say GH gases are not a primary mover in climate change (a conclusion not held by research independently funded) it will still increase global temperature with all the consequences that that will bring.

JF writes:

If the sun is the culprit heating the biggest heat trap (the oceans of the world) then greenhouse gases is simply a drop in the bucket.

So not knowing wheather the sun is the biggest culprit or not you still advocate the above?

Good grief!

JF writes:

What happens if the sun cools off over decades instead of its present heating phase. Would not the oceans temps drop simply because the sun cooled off just a bit.

If? I refer you to the above.

JF writes:

Its well known that greenhouses use (carbon dioxide) to conserve water and stimulate plant growth.

References please.

JF writes:

Building coal power plants all across the country is not a bad idea if greenhouse gases are not the root cause for global warming.

If, if, if........

Need I go on?

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Message 72 of 111 (325768)
06-24-2006 6:21 PM

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06-24-2006 10:02 AM

Re: Grants are plentiful for global warming research

ThingsChange writes:

It's whether the scientific community as a whole listens to both sides of the biased advocates. This is the ugly and beautiful way science distills ideas into believable theories.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? Science is not a democracy.

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Message 73 of 111 (325784)
06-24-2006 6:56 PM

Reply to: Message 65 by johnfolton
06-24-2006 2:14 PM

Runaway Feedback

Take a look at the following. It's not like we increase CO2 and watch simply and incremental rise in temperature. When we reach about +8 degrees celcius the Methane Hydrate in the sea and river deltas melt, the Amazon starts to burn and up goes your carbon sink. All that and we go up to about + 15 degrees celcius fast.

http://www.hydrogen.co.uk/...l/articles/1_global_warming.htm

http://www.hydrogen.co.uk/.../journal/articles/3_Methane.htm

Methane is 40 times the green house gas that CO2 is.

Take a look at what can happen if global temperatures rise to far; are you familiar with the Permian Extinction Event?

Global warming 'threatens Earth with mass extinction'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...icles/A24732-2005Jan20.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2005/02/050223130549.htm

95% of life gone.

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Message 78 of 111 (326037)
06-25-2006 7:27 AM

Reply to: Message 74 by johnfolton
06-24-2006 11:22 PM

Re: Runaway Feedback

JF writes:

You'd think that rising ocean levels are a good thing because.....

You do know what will happen to the incidence of malaria in the US (for a start) if sea levels rise? What will happen to Holland (as an example)?

If the sea level rises people lose their homes. What were uou thinking when you wrote the above?

JF writes:

A good reason for the earth to melt the polar caps to keep these massive methane hydrates contained, better to flood the coastlines than burn the planet bigtime

The above sir, is an idotic statement. Is there any less approriate subject for flippery?

JF writes:

In a desert with no clouds the nights are cold and the days hot. I suspect all gases without water vapor does nothing to promote global warming.

?????? Again an idiotic statement. CH4 acts as greenhouse gas on its own, as does CO2 independently of the prescence of H2O.

JF writes:

Is the water canopy causing global warming because of the solar cycles presently heating up the waters of the earth.

Except we are in a cold snap.

Please re read and edit your text. I seem to be unable to make sense of some of it.

e.g.

Is oxygen nitrogen a greater contributor than Co2 to global warming

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