|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Sinning? In your dreams... | |||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Me too (has the finesse of a bloke)....which is why I get along so well with the blokes. quote: You're very sweet, but I've got to tell you that I couldn't get a date to save my life for many, many years. I was not, as they say, a guy magnet. Quite the opposite. Too many far prettier girls around.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
Too many far prettier girls around. Yeah, well, obviously you have it now, so stop using your sexual attractiveness as a weapon in a logical argument. I know these tricks.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If only such measures really worked...
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
The dream is a symbol of the descent into Hell? About you dying - then the unknown. This happens to fall into the realm of nightmare. But for all intents and purposes you have decided that the unknown is simply nothingness. Why does your dream state disagree with what you actually beleive to be the situation. I wouldn't be afraid of nothingness - there is 'nothing' to be afraid about.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
robinrohan Inactive Member |
there is 'nothing' to be afraid about One would rather exist, even in pain, than not exist.* *(source withheld) Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 778 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Hi iano,
The question is: did I sin in making the decision I did - for it was me making the clear decision - even if the consequences weren't played out in real life. Did you sin IN your dream, or was your dream just revealing the lust that had already taken root in your soul? "For God speaketh once, Yea twice, though man regardeth it not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, When deep sleep falleth upon men, In slumberings upon the bed; Then he openeth the ears of men, And sealeth their instruction, That he may turn a man from his ways, And hide pride from man;" Job 33:14 Three times this year, I have consecrated myself to God in prayer and reading His word, and each time I've gone through a purification in my dreams. In January, I dreamed 3 nights in a row. The first night my dreams were dark, I was tempted to sin, and I gave in. I woke up feeling kind of disgusted. I repented of that lust. The next night I had a dream where I was tempted to sin, but refused, and the temptation turned into a toilet. I was tempted again and again, but each time it got easier to refuse. The third night I had three of the most beautiful pure dreams I have ever had. Again in May, I prayed before I got in bed that God would give me a dream to reveal to me any areas of my life that I needed to give over to Him. After I prayed that, I felt this paralyzing dizzying weight on my chest. The room started spinning. I'd felt this in the past on occasion when I was sick, but I wasn't sick now. I prayed, rebuked it and it immediately left, but after I went to sleep, I had all kinds of dark dreams where temptations were flooding in. I fought hard, but my dreams kept getting darker and louder and uglier and more disgusting until I woke up and was afraid to go back to sleep because things were going downhill in a hurry. So God can definately use dreams to show us what's going on in our soul either symbolically or literally. I think if we give in to sin in our dreams, we've already given in to it in our soul even though we haven't in our body. The enemy wants to use this to discourage us, and make us feel filthy, but God uses the enemy to reveal areas of our life we need to give over to Him.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Failing in dreams is generally related to insecurity or stress - I've never seen it attibuted to the concept that it's a decent into hell.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Failing in dreams is generally related to insecurity or stress - I've never seen it attibuted to the concept that it's a decent into hell. You have now.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
lfen Member (Idle past 4704 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
iano wrote: Here we had some on-deaths-door Roman Catholicism - which can hardly be described as Christian theology.
schraf replied: Not steeped in Christianity? Ian is making a distinction between Roman Catholicism and his version of Christianity. This is a typical move of his. He hasn't replied to your point nor is he really refuting it he is just slipping a dig in at Catholicism and that his is the only true Christianity so Western Culture is not yet steeped in it. Of course historically Christianity has deep roots in Ireland. This is just more of Ian's not clever annoying word games that he seems to feel constitute argument. Possibly because they pass for such in the pubs or churchs he frequents? Or just his imagination? Point to you Schraf. lfen
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1370 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
This is just more of Ian's not clever annoying word games that he seems to feel constitute argument. Possibly because they pass for such in the pubs or churchs he frequents? Or just his imagination? depends on how close they are to closing time! Edited by arachnophilia, : (ugly topic line. go away.)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Ringo writes: So, if I "interpret" Larni's dream as a message from Hansel and Gretel, What aren they trying to say? Do they need more bread crumbs?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Iano writes: "Sounds like". Just as well you hedged your bets. Seems science disagrees with you as much as I do. Larni posed the same notion and got this answer. You might have missed the post. http://EvC Forum: Sinning? In your dreams... -->EvC Forum: Sinning? In your dreams... I missed this post. What you say has indirect merit. That is to say once we are awake we distort our dreams in memory by or cognitive schemas. This is exactly what people do when they try to interpret some one elses dreams. They distort the (already distorted) description of the dream with their own cultural mellieux. Journal of Cognitive Psychotherapy: An International Quarterly, Volume 16, Number 1, 2002 Dreams as an Unappreciated Therapeutic Avenuefor Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy Harold E. Doweiko Modern neurobiological findings demonstrate that the theory at the heart of psychoanalysis is not viable; indeed, modern neurobiology argues that dreams are nothing more than "noise" created by the brain during the process of neuronal activation and suppression. Modern thinking therefore calls into question the utility of any dream theory that rests on psychoanalytic principles. Cognitive-behavior therapists can nonetheless build on contemporary neurobiological theories of dreams in their clinical work. This article argues that while the dreaming process itself lies outside of the range of cognitive-behavior therapy, the dreamer's recall and interpretation of the dream occurs in the normal waking state. The individual's reported memories of the dream are therefore subject to the same cognitive distortions apparent in other dimensions of their cognitive lives. Cognitive Therapy Association
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Faith writes: I used to have a lot of those before I became a Christian. Usually right before falling to sleep rather than as a nightmare though. In all likelyhood this was a hypnogogic hallucination. When you nod off your head goes slack and tilts. This make you think you are falling or stepping off a curb or some such. One will often 'startle' awake.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Point to you Schraf. As if it were yours to award. It has little to do with 'her' brand or 'my' brand of Christianity. The Land of Saints and Scholars is about as representive of Ireland in recent times as are red-haired kids riding turf-laden donkeys. Its been many a year too since I saw a garden festooned with plastic leprauchans.
Possibly because they pass for such in the pubs or churchs he frequents? The scene is the ubiquitous Irish pub-quiz where the contestants are of my own or my parents generation. Q: What is the gospel? "Er Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? Q: Why did Jesus die? "Beause the Romans crucified him!" Q: Is the Pope a Christian? "Er...um...can you read that again?" If that is what constitutes "steeped in Christianity" for you then I suppose any path you can think of at all does indeed lead to the summit.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I used to have a lot of those before I became a Christian. Usually right before falling to sleep rather than as a nightmare though.
In all likelyhood this was a hypnogogic hallucination. When you nod off your head goes slack and tilts. This make you think you are falling or stepping off a curb or some such. One will often 'startle' awake. We'll await Faiths answer in which I predict her head to lay on a pillow before falling asleep. And that there was nowhere for it tilt to. Can one fall off the ground?
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024