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Author Topic:   design evidence #320,098,754: the crossover food and air tubes in humans
lpetrich
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Message 31 of 34 (32192)
02-14-2003 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by DanskerMan
02-13-2003 11:56 PM


Sonnikke:
quote:
And a motorcycle was designed by an intelligent designer.
Usually evo's frown upon me when I use inanimate designed objects as an analogy of evidence to God's design in this universe, but hey.
You had asked if we terrible original sinners could design anything more efficient than biological systems. And I provided you with an example -- motorcycles vs. horses as vehicles. Now you whine that I had used an example of human design.
Furthermore, motorcycles and their parts have had numerous designers over the years -- and biological systems had also had numerous designers if their features had been designed.

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Chavalon
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Message 32 of 34 (32340)
02-15-2003 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by DanskerMan
02-13-2003 8:58 PM


I quoted a passage to show that we are like CLAY and God is the POTTER. If you take that as a threat...
I must apologise Sonnike -
First for not rereading the thread before posting that you were making threats.
Second, for making off-topic remarks, thereby encouraging others to do so. What are your replies to the various criticisms of your post #5?
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And, strange to tell, among that Earthen Lot
Some could articulate, while others not:
And suddenly one more impatient cried -
'Who is the Potter, pray, and who the Pot?
Omar Khayyam, translated by Edward FitzGerald

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derwood
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Message 33 of 34 (32581)
02-18-2003 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by peter borger
02-07-2003 6:20 PM


There is another German expression:
Er hat ein Vogel.

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Peter
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Message 34 of 34 (32644)
02-19-2003 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by DanskerMan
02-13-2003 10:51 AM


quote:
I have yet to see a human come up with a better design than God.
How many have you viewed, and what criterion do you use in
your assessment?
quote:
Perhaps, you would care to describe something that you feel is better, I am very curious how and what that would be.
On a general level it is fairly trivial to show that the
current arrangement is inadequate.
The functions of ingesting food/drink and of the intake
of air are independent.
The larynx, as it exists, requires an air-flow to make
sounds.
Air intake is a safety critical function. If the air intake is
impededed for more than a few minutes (at most) severe damage
or death can be caused.
Food/drink intake is safety critical, as above, but the time
scale is somewhat longer (days).
Any system which has a single point of failure for TWO
independent safety critical systems cannot be considered
well-designed.
quote:
Feel free to present an alternate design to our larynx, providing all the current functions whilst removing the choking hazard.
Provide independent air and food/drink intake orifices, and you
could still use the rest of the current design.
Take a radical, from scratch, approach to designing these functions
and I'm sure most people could provide something workable, that
avoids the problem.
quote:
The alternate is NOT an imperfect God, just imperfect man who persists in his/her folly.
The issue is not really that a better design could be put forward,
but that the current arrangement is not optimal. There are
failure modes which would be unacceptable in a safety critical
design process.
If god designed this arrangement, he did so in a sub-optimal
manner which would suggest that he is imperfect.

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