Opinions and conclusions about Religion and God.

i think i have learnt that religion is a very bad idea , all place to much importance on ritual , custom , conformity and exclusion . Religions all become human centric organisations , they create a human hierarchy between the beliver and the god , and they seek to perpetuate the system they have set up , which rapidly is taken over by the buearcrates and the founding principles become compromised.the religion become the reason not the responce .the true conection to god is faith , in the totalality of the word , such that it is no longer mere belief , you have faith in god in the same way you have faith in the air you breath and the ground you walk on , and god is as intergral to you daliy life as the air and the ground ... such can only be a personal thing .. it needs no books , no chants, no ministers , no buildings . Collective faith is a herd instinct , you cannot build our faith on other peoples foundationsonly you can find it ...

Quote.. You presume you are entirely free when in fact you are not. God makes you and decides that you (as a made being) will stand before him to give an account of yourself. What's your beef? ...quoteand what gives god the moral right to judge , give that he creates a being and allows it , ok limited and with penalties , free choice on how to act .Even us feeble humans can see that some will act in oppersistion to such a repersive order ..so it must follow god could for see such actions ... therefore he is setting up people to fail ...Again even us humans know direct education , not threats is the better way to bring some one around to your view .....

ok point one .. ill rephase who votedgod the power to set the laws ? if he is the creator he is responcable for all action of said ceation , why not make obedance built in ????
law and order by a dictator and not the will of those governed by the said law is not a moral stand point ...born fallen .. so who LET us fall ..or maybe god is powerless in some areas ?? if sinning is our nature why should the creator complain ??Foxes are only pest cos the farm TAKES over the foxes land , fox's where there feeding , then the farmer dumps a massive food stock in the fox's land .. hmm not hard to guess what the fox does ..
and the farm is not the creator , or the reason the fox is there .. god made man .. then shoots him for being as he was made .. totally differenet situation .. parents kill child cos child did not do school work .. is that your reasoning ..QUOTE God isn't threatening: "Do this or else!" is a threat. God is telling us that we cannot do it. That there is no way for us to keep to his standard. As such we are rubbish and will be disposed of unless HE does something to change us, to transform us from being rubbish into something useful.Qso now we are totally helpless and can only be save if god feels like it ... hmmmm wow we are really in the poo ...so he makes us a s rubbish then pick on a few , those he likes , and saves then , and kills off the rest ... hmmm nice guy ....i prefer a god who will love a good person , even if they have never heard of the bible , a god who will not condemn some one for been human , who does not create sinners , who loves with out conditions ..Edited by ikabod, : No reason given.

Quote"""You are a manufactured good. You belong to him. God (for he is your God too) will 'stick his face in your business' whether you like it or not. He has every right to do with you what he wants.""Qif you belive this i pity you , i hope one day you will find some selfworth and freedom for such tyranny ...

then god should not get in a huff when evil occurs ....if you dont want someone to drown .. dont drop them in the middle of a ocean ..... err king is a sole dictator be default ... strange how in most human cultures kings have been replaced by republics or democracy ... swo your view is follow the party line or be a enemy of the state .. no right to a free choice of how to live your life ... so adam fell did he , hmmm seem a set up job .. "now no pick this fruit here , this big one here , keep off , may be a fence or a locked door would be a good idea ..... like we dont all know human nature ,,,, and any way how long is god going to be miffed .. how many generations will he pick on us cos one person did a naughty thing ... is there no chance of a retrial ??? no forgiveness , i mean i claim mental issues .. i mean a talking snake spoke to the women ..yet right ... if no conditions we can do anything ??
so we cant find christ unless god lets us .. we can not save ourselves ???
so god does all the work .. we are not invold ?? we cant help or hinder .. we are with out purpose or reason mere toys to be platyed with ??
how can we chose the wrong route , you just said god does it all ???Edited by AdminPhat, : Showing Ichabod how to use the quote feature....(Push peek to see how I did it.)

no ...selfworth is know that you can make a difference , you can achive ,you can see your self as having value because you are you and you can do things in the worldyou can then go out and be nice to fellow humans ,help the less blessed , give to the community ...not cos so judgemental being is watching , but be cause you chosse to do so , and in doing so you you see you deeds generate there own rewards , a smile , a thank you , a friendship , love .... and at the same time you can reject dogma and expresse your selfwhat god that is good would condemn a man who is true , honest , loving , charitable and yet declines to follow the church/scriptures of that god ....If you think you only have value cos your master gives it to you then you name yourself slave .... and you bind yourself in chains stronger that any iron ...history has show how one person can make a difference , how a slave can find freedom for others even at the greats of costs , no I'm worth it - why - because I decide to be worth it , i will set myself standards , and when i fail i will know and i will accept my failure and still i will strive , and i will stand up to anyone who tries to devalue me ..put not you value in the praise of others .. but consider your heart when you are alone ..

sorry everyone for using up the space in this topic i will restrain myself hence forth ..