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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
This is a spin-off of a topic in the geology forum and is intended to tackle one specific issue - that's of the minimum feed requirements for various types of animals.
In Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study by John Woodmorappe. He puts the total number of "invited" organisms at 15,754 - this consists of 7,428 mammals, 4,602 birds and 3,724 reptiles (including dinosaurs). While we are never going to come up with a full-list, I want to get a better idea of the amount of feeding that the 8 people in the ark would have to be involved in. Even if we only establish a sub-set of animals, it will give a better idea of the task they had and also a resource for people to call upon in future debate. I know there are other connected arguments about where some of the "special requirements" food is going from - such as for the Koalas but at least at the start of this thread let's take it as a given that some unknown source of each food type exists. I am also assuming that we will all use american measurement? OK - the first two animals that have been mentioned on the geology thread are: Horses proposed by schrafinator
quote: Elephant - proposed by Mangy Tiger
quote: So I make the current totals as follows:
Food: 11,000 (Horses) + 219,000 (Elephants) = 230,000 pounds of food. water: 4,380 (horses) + 35,040 (Elephants) = 39,420 gallons of water. REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A THREAD FOR SPECIAL PLEADING - THIS IS A FLOOD WHERE GOD LEFT THEM TO GET ON WITH IT - NO MAGIC REQUIRED OR WANTED HERE - TRY NEXT DOOR Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
So I make that (12*2)*365 = 8760 pounds
Anyone know a water requirement? Is this a suitable example of a "kind" we would find on the ark? Any objections to Rick's suggestion? Ah - just seen the 80% comment - need to recalculate. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Oh for sure - but I think it's just another useful tool to illustrate how much of a nonsense the story is. Sure it's never going to reach the die-hard but it's another factor for the undecided to consider.
Let's face it - in some respects the nonsense they come out with in response IS the most powerful argument going for it's non-occurance. You've got to put down the bananas skins for them to slip up on! EDIT: actually now I think about it - it's more akin to giving them a banana, they throw the banana away and then chuck the skin on the ground and run at it. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Yes I think eggs are the general answer given.
Must have been tricky to stop the other animals eating them when they were running around the ark leaping from hay bale to hay bale! So do we have figures for any other animals and then we can generate another running total? Does anyone have the feed requirements for the humans (we have the water requirements).
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
This topic has nothing to do with fossils - if you want to discuss fossils and the flood - start a thread. It has nothing at all to do with the topic.
This topic has nothing to do with theories of "hibernation-like-torpor" - if you want to propose that, start a thread. It has nothing at all to do with the topic. This is a topic to discuss the food requirements of animals that might have been present on the ark. If people want to suggest alternative reasons why they did not need to eat - start a thread.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: That seems fairly sensible to me - but I REFUSE to budge on anyone introducing the idea that Noah had refrigerators on the ark or access to pizza delivery. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: What does the construction of the Ark have to do with the op? How the material was actually stored is NOT the purpose of this topic.
quote: What does that statement add to this very specific discussion? Do you have anything sensible or useful to say? Anything more useful than "God said" - you have the faith and belief forums for that. What is difficult to understand about the fact that the science forums are for the discussion of SCIENCE? Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That's a big number - even if we say that 90% of the animals have super-awesome-hibernation-skillz - that leaves us with 3.75 million pounds of food - what volume would that take? (for those better than me with numbers?)
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
and how did you come to that figure? From where? On what basis?
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Please take detailed discussion of the ark and it's construction and so on to this new thread:
http://EvC Forum: The Ark - materials, construction and seaworthness -->EvC Forum: The Ark - materials, construction and seaworthness
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
We already know that Noah and his chums would be killed from trying to breath steam - how would this affect the fishies? wouldn't they more than likely boil to death before anything killed them?
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: It is an honest answer and nobody has a problem with that. However in those forums (the science ones) it counts for nothing. Otherwise Atheists like me could just argue that it's untrue because "the bible is very far-fetched". Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Well I must confess this is indeed a new one, I don't think anyone has suggested it before. So Noah built the ark and multiple barges?
quote: We can get into the specifics of which animals would actually be capable or willing to eat fish later but you are suggesting that this already overworked crew had time to operate fishing nets - really?
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Not overworked? Do you agree with normal creationist number of @20,000 animals on the ark? If you do not, what is the number you go with?
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