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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Because of the evolutionary process He only needed one mating pair of amoebas. Now wasn't that easy?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A horse? I would guess that some 90% of the creatures on board the ark were not as big as a horse.
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CK Member (Idle past 4153 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
That's a big number - even if we say that 90% of the animals have super-awesome-hibernation-skillz - that leaves us with 3.75 million pounds of food - what volume would that take? (for those better than me with numbers?)
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CK Member (Idle past 4153 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
and how did you come to that figure? From where? On what basis?
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2918 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
Sorry CK. I guess it was my fault because I referenced the detail on Ark construction and compared it to the lack of mention of hibernating animals as Faith was speculating. As usual Faith ignored the context and turned the reference into evidence for her position. Here is the sequence. You be the judge.
Herb writes:
All that detail on the Ark construction and not one peep about hibernation to conserve food.
Faith writes: All that detail about the construction ought to be enough evidence of the truth of the story.
CK writes: What does the construction of the Ark have to do with the op? How the material was actually stored is NOT the purpose of this topic.
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Wepwawet Member (Idle past 6134 days) Posts: 85 From: Texas Joined: |
You can only get about 12 pounds of hay in a cubic foot of space unless you use a modern bulk compression method which may give you as much as 20 pounds per cubic foot.
Assuming 20 pounds of hay per cubic foot and biblical measurements (450' X 75' X 45') that gives us a total of about 15,200 tons of food assuming every cubic inch was given over to storing food.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2918 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
You can only get about 12 pounds of hay in a cubic foot of space unless you use a modern bulk compression method which may give you as much as 20 pounds per cubic foot I don't think Noah had a conventional baler let alone a bulk baler. Who knows. though. It doesn't say he didn't so that is good enough for some.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3937 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Ok fine. Lets give even more leverage. How about an average of 1/10 of a horse.
(11000) * .1 * 15754 = 17.33 million points of food(4380) * .1 * 15754 = 7 million gallons of water Using the above ideal compression of 20lbs/ft^3 for the food that is 866500 cubic feet needed for food. Can someone help with the water calculation? What is the volume of the ark in cubic feet? What is the allotted space for food given by Woodmorappe? Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Can someone help with the water calculation? 7 X 106 Gallons = 935764 ft3 Thats 58417831 pounds of water. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5089 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
Well to Food daily guidelines, Lets use sedentary male values created by the FDA.
7 calories is an aproximated number between 9 and 4 because 9 calories per gram of fat and 4 calories per gram of protein and carbohydrates. 2000 calories/ 1 day * 7 calories / 1 gram of stuff * 8 people * 365 days / 1 year * 2.205 lbs / 1000 grams = 263 pounds of food per person in one year that makes about 1840 pounds of food for a year for 8 people at a minimum and that is assuming this special 7 calorie per gram mixture of fat, carbs and proteins is 100% digested by a human.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3937 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Awesome. So lets work with a figure of ~1.8 million cubic feet of supplies.
Does anyone know the volume of the ark? Does anyone know the volume that Woodmorappe has dog earred for supplies? Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jazzns writes: Does anyone know the volume of the ark? Who would know better than Answers In Genesis?
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Since when has it rained sea water?
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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5089 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
It does not rain sea water but you are making a dangerous assumption that there will not be turbulence present in the water such that sediments, salt, dirt etc will not float at the waterline.
For example take an aquariam fill it with sea water then proceed to rain on it for 40 days and 40 nights with some kind of fresh water spray, after that go ahead and taste the water and tell me how it tastes. Of course you'd have to make a model that would roughly aproximate it raining 40 days and 40 nights as well as add a similar ration of water to the tank as the flood did to the world. Also if you put a hole below the waterline of the ark, your ark starts to take on water and sink.
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Gary Inactive Member |
I've heard a few creationists say that Noah may have taken immature animals aboard his ark instead of fully grown Tyrannosaurs and such. In this article, Jonathan Sarfati makes that claim. Younger animals would take up less space and need less food, which supposedly makes the whole story slightly less insane so that creationists can accept it as an unadulterated fact of history. A response to this comes to mind that I haven't seen before - that Noah and company would have to go to a great deal of trouble to accumulate all these young animals at the same time. Animals breed at all different times of the year, they grow at different rates, and many are helpless when young. It seems unlikely to me that Jews of circa 2000 BC would have domesticated all kinds (whatever your definition of this word!) of dinosaurs, elephants, and so on, without leaving a trace of any such effort. How could Noah have met the needs of such a large menagerie of animals, many of which no one in his part of the world had even heard of, and especially when many of them are dependent on their parents for milk?
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