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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jazzns writes: Does anyone know the volume of the ark? Who would know better than Answers In Genesis?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: A bilge pump (animal operated) is not exactly going to tax the engineer concerned. How much, er... horsepower do you suppose it would take to pump a big leaky tub like that? How many shifts of horses and other "kinds" of draught animals would it take to power the pumps twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week? How much extra food and water do you suppose all that hard labour would require? How much human labour do you think would be required to supervise the animals, change the teams, repair the harnesses and other equipment, etc.? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Who said it was leaky? 450' x 75' x 45'. There are no pieces of wood that big. Therefore there were joints. Therefore there were leaks.
Collect the rain and allow to overflow that which you do not need. It only rained for 40 days. They needed to store what they needed for the remaining 330 days. (And wooden storage tanks also leak. How much of a safety margin do you suppose they'd need?)
Read the post upthread about hibernation to reduce your need to pump to acceptable levels. Pumping was necessary to prevent sinking. Hibernation has nothing to do with it.
Horsepower and associated complexity dependant on further hard data as to actual waste disposal requirements. Pumping was necessary to prevent sinking. Waste disposal has nothing to do with it.
We might suppose that the animals were a lot smarter and less contrary (fallen) as well "Yo Daisy - take 5" might have been all it took by way of team changing And the bears might have eaten porridge, sat in chairs and slept in beds....
Well designed equipment doesn't need much in the way of repair. Don't know much about boats, do ya? My uncle's 40' troller required constant repair - and it was in better shape than most. You're lookin' at an ark more than a thousand times the size, with a crew of eight. My guess is it never would have lifted off the ground. (When are we going to see that creationist prototype?) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Therefore there were joints. Therefore there were leaks. Non sequitur Don't know much about wood either, do ya? All wooden boats leak because of the joints and the joints "work" in a seaway, getting looser and looser... until the joints fail and the boat falls apart.
The ark was made of wood - nigh on all of which is far less dense than water (which is why boats get built from wood very often) the contents of the ark was air and species which are largely water themselves. Sure, the pieces would float. Little good that would do the living cargo. (Though it would explain the multiplicity of "found" arks.)
They don't make em like they used to: men or boats This is a science forum. You can take that to the fairy tale forum. ------------- But we are getting away from the topic of food/water requirements. Kindly restrict your nonsense to that subject. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Read: joints that lock tighter together as moisture content increases. quote: The pitch within and without would prevent the wood from absorbing moisture. Why do you suppose it is that every wooden boat ever built leaks at the joints - whether or not they are "pitched"? Your "self-sealing" is just another fairy tale. Now, how about the topic? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Look! Please cite your source so we can look.
According to you the ark would have sunk before anyone got thirsty or hungry enough to require all the food and water we're trying to load on board. It's a given that the ark was a physical impossibliity. Otherwise, creationists would have built a working prototype by now. The premise of this topic is to calculate whether or not Noah could stuff all the necessary victuals into the ark before the flood started. So far, it appears that most of the animals would not have survived the loading process. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: It's extremely expensive for starters.... I figure you could make a good start for $150 million or so. That's only a fraction of the haul from the Great Creationist Video Racket.
... too many specifics of the design are not known. Not according to Answers In Genesis:
quote: They seem to know enough about ark design to proclaim it "safe". Didn't you get the memo?
... here is somebody who is building a 1/5 working scale model of the ark he intends to launch 1/5 scale is a joke. That's only 90 feet long. Thousands of wooden ships that big have been built. Unless he's going to stock it with 1/5 scale animals and 1/5 scale food, it's utterly irrelevant. Either build a full-size prototype or stop pretending there is any science behind your fantasies. Edited by Ringo, : Removed superfluous quotation mark. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: If you were as absolutely convinced of the truth of the Bible account of the flood as a fundamentalist is, absolutely without a doubt knowing that it happened as described, knowing that God is the inspirer of the whole thing, how would you go about answering science's contention that it didn't happen? Ironically, that's exactly where I'm coming from. As a teenager, I tried to do the calculations - how much flood water, how many animals, how much food, etc. (and this was before Henry Morris commercialized creationism). The problem I had was that every answer produced ten new questions - which you can see happening in this very thread. I gave up on a literal interpretation of Genesis because it can't be done. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Bible Backer writes: ... Noah could have easily constructed multiple follower barges.... Not without distorting the Bible beyond all recognition, he couldn't. It clearly says one ark, not a fleet. You might as well have him resupply the ark by parachute drops. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
johnfolton writes: This is not what the verse is implying in fact later it says the olive branch survived. No. The implication is not that the olive branch "survived" the flood. The ark was at rest for several months before Noah sent out the raven and the dove. If the olive branch had "survived", the dove could have brought it back any time. Genesis 8:9 says specifically that she found no veggie mats to rest her feet. The implication of the olive branch is that the vegetation had regenerated - i.e. there was food for the animals. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
obvious Child writes: ... receding flood waters would have salted the Earth. Of course. I was only correcting johnfolton's Biblical error. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
johnfolton writes: The olive branch regeneration was from mats floating.... Nonsense. The Bible says quite clearly that there were no floating mats:
quote: There was nothing floating on the water for the dove to rest on.
the mineral rich sediments and the fresh waters of the Flood would of Resprouted (regenerate) the Food supply even before the Flood waters had washed off the continents to mix with the salt in the oceans. Also nonsense. The oceans covered the whole earth. It was all salt water, so nothing would grow. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
johnfolton writes: Sorry it was a freshwater flood.... Impossible. The salt was there. It didn't magically appear after the flood.Water dissolves salt, ergo salt water. But that's off topic. We're supposed to be talking about the food supply on the ark, not the non-existent veggie mats or the impossibility of growing food after the flood. Edited by Ringo, : Formatting. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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