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Message 40 of 239 (326912)
06-27-2006 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Jazzns
06-27-2006 4:16 PM


Re: Can we get a number?
Well to Food daily guidelines, Lets use sedentary male values created by the FDA.
7 calories is an aproximated number between 9 and 4 because 9 calories per gram of fat and 4 calories per gram of protein and carbohydrates.
2000 calories/ 1 day * 7 calories / 1 gram of stuff * 8 people * 365 days / 1 year * 2.205 lbs / 1000 grams = 263 pounds of food per person in one year
that makes about 1840 pounds of food for a year for 8 people at a minimum and that is assuming this special 7 calorie per gram mixture of fat, carbs and proteins is 100% digested by a human.

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Message 44 of 239 (326943)
06-27-2006 8:14 PM
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06-27-2006 7:52 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
It does not rain sea water but you are making a dangerous assumption that there will not be turbulence present in the water such that sediments, salt, dirt etc will not float at the waterline.
For example take an aquariam fill it with sea water then proceed to rain on it for 40 days and 40 nights with some kind of fresh water spray, after that go ahead and taste the water and tell me how it tastes. Of course you'd have to make a model that would roughly aproximate it raining 40 days and 40 nights as well as add a similar ration of water to the tank as the flood did to the world.
Also if you put a hole below the waterline of the ark, your ark starts to take on water and sink.

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Message 47 of 239 (326949)
06-27-2006 8:30 PM
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06-27-2006 8:24 PM


Re: Could immature animals be taken aboard?
And actually i wonder how they would have built the knowledge of domestication up to that point. Or even if it implies that all the animals were domesticated. I mean consider its taken us till now to even really study non-domesticated animals and their life cycles, where would have Noah found the time, or even the people before them have found the time to make all these observations.

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Message 50 of 239 (326954)
06-27-2006 8:46 PM
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Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
While you have an excellent simplification, and yes also my fault for causing you to think the simplification would cover everything. We are not actually talking about a lab situation where water can be expressed. In a way you are talking more along a wave machine in an acquarium, which definetly will not allow for the lab science experiment you are discussing. wave action alone present on the surface of the ocean would most probably be sufficient enough to distrubute salt concentration throughout the water.

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Message 54 of 239 (326961)
06-27-2006 9:01 PM
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06-27-2006 8:54 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
A salt concetration that you might be proposing would be very dangerous for animals and people. Salt is not something that is excreted quickly from the body however water is. So while you are continuously drinking more water with this salt in it, the water is leaving increasing the salt concentration present in your body. Do it for a year even at low salt concentration levels you are looking at people dying from toxicfication.

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Message 168 of 239 (346567)
09-04-2006 10:40 PM
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09-04-2006 10:23 PM


Re: Query about figures.
Not how it works, In the natural Heat rises so what was coming back to the earth was not heated waters but waters cooled in the upper atmosphere extending thousands of miles upward and thus returning to the earth in the form of rain.
I would point out that the atmosphere is not an endless heatsink. It does have a finite cooling ability. Plus as porbably pointed out any rain coming from that high up will have an absurdly large kinetic energy such that it will vaporize and return back to its gaseous phase long before even touching the ground.
Also as pointed by wiki 3/4 of the atmospheres weight is within 11 km of the surface, and 120km is where atmospheric rentry difficulties occur. So why the heck do you have an atmosphere thousands of miles deep? Where do you get those numbers, and do you even understand what those numbers mean?
The atmosphere acts as a gigantic airconditioner, because heat rises and the bible is clear in that it rained 40 days thus the heat rose and rain returned in the form of rain, snow, for those 40 days. There was not a humidity problem because no steam problem existed during the deluge.
Are you even aware what steam is? (Gaseous water), and gasoes water exists at nearly every atmospheric temperature, and if you are talking a 25 C in a flooded world, there will be quite a bit of water present in the air.

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Message 172 of 239 (346577)
09-05-2006 12:11 AM
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09-04-2006 11:57 PM


Re: Query about figures.
Water erupting as steam is quite similar to this energy solution talking about steam in a near vacuum state will phase back to a chilled state to 46 Degrees F.
Hopefully this article will explain how your excessive steamtemps are chilled in near vacuum states (as would of existed within the upper atmosphere) to 46 Degrees F.
The creatures on the ark and the grains within Noahs arks sealed bins rooms would not of been overheated by the waters returning to the earth
So now you are claiming that the planet is literaly a machine in the manner you are describing? Can you show how that would apply to earth?
Wheres the seperation films, wheres the the controlled flow of materials? How does atmospheric convections apply?
You still are neglecting the fact that water descendin to earth fromt he distances you describe will vaporize long before it touches down?
Where is your support about the thickness of the atmopshere? You are continuing to make assertions without addressing the problems that continue to arise?
While i would say your 'vacuum' exists? your system isn't at all controlled like the refrigerator you linked to.
The creatures on the ark and the grains within Noahs arks sealed bins rooms would not of been overheated by the waters returning to the earth.
I'll continue to laugh at your bizarre assertions. Noah's Ark had some form of window..and if it had a window you cannot insululate the boat against the superheated water thats coming down.

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