The Flood - Animals and their minimum food requirement

One other problem with young critters is that often they need a whole different food set than when fully grown, for example masticated worms and partially digested material. Also, they would have to know the full lifecycle of the critters including generational changes to plan ahead for teh food supply.I wonder which one of the kids got to chew up the rotten meat and then regurgitate it for the baby hyena kinds?

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And actually i wonder how they would have built the knowledge of domestication up to that point. Or even if it implies that all the animals were domesticated. I mean consider its taken us till now to even really study non-domesticated animals and their life cycles, where would have Noah found the time, or even the people before them have found the time to make all these observations.

That is a good point. I also wonder how many types of butterflies and moths went extinct when Noah disturbed their cocoons. They couldn't have been taken aboard as adults, as some of them would not live long enough, and many of them need fresh flowers to drink nectar from.

Salt densities are less at the surface where eye-dropper-like rain falls than at lower layers?. Make it a lot of rain and you get a layer of fresh water/heavily diluted salt water at the surface? Add less than fussy consumers and bobs-your-hydration problem solved This thing was the size of a football field apparently (upthread). A bilge pump (animal operated) is not exactly going to tax the engineer concerned. I imagine he would make good use of the fact that it would be a post-processing semi-solid sludge he had to deal with - rather than water. It simplifies pump design.

While you have an excellent simplification, and yes also my fault for causing you to think the simplification would cover everything. We are not actually talking about a lab situation where water can be expressed. In a way you are talking more along a wave machine in an acquarium, which definetly will not allow for the lab science experiment you are discussing. wave action alone present on the surface of the ocean would most probably be sufficient enough to distrubute salt concentration throughout the water.

Remember this eye-dropper-like rain also carved the Grand Canyon, laid down the whole geological column, split continents ...Can anyone really believe such nonsense or are they just pulling our legs?

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We have an aquarium of unknown depth, a starting salt concentration of unknown concentration, a volume of fresh water of unknown quantity and a resulting salt concentration of unknown concentration.And less than fussy consumers. Possible.Besides, a Rain-Collection-Device^tm the size of a football pitch may well be sufficient in itself

How much, er... horsepower do you suppose it would take to pump a big leaky tub like that? How many shifts of horses and other "kinds" of draught animals would it take to power the pumps twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week? How much extra food and water do you suppose all that hard labour would require? How much human labour do you think would be required to supervise the animals, change the teams, repair the harnesses and other equipment, etc.?

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A salt concetration that you might be proposing would be very dangerous for animals and people. Salt is not something that is excreted quickly from the body however water is. So while you are continuously drinking more water with this salt in it, the water is leaving increasing the salt concentration present in your body. Do it for a year even at low salt concentration levels you are looking at people dying from toxicfication.

Who said it was leaky? Collect the rain and allow to overflow that which you do not need. Read the post upthread about hibernation to reduce your need to pump to acceptable levels. Horsepower and associated complexity dependant on further hard data as to actual waste disposal requirements. Cannot compute yet.Also design the ark to sink lower in the water under the weight of the waste matter you don't need to dump overboard in order to act as bait for the fish you are catching (aided by your Animal Powered Net Retraction System^tm. The Tilapia (the so-called St Peters Fish - the fish who coughed up the coin) is known to eat sewage and sounds like the kind of thing that Noah would have been afterWe might also suppose that the fuller effects of the fall were not so apparent then as now. Noah was doing this with a fair few centuries behind his back. He sure was smarter than the average bear. We might suppose that the animals were a lot smarter and less contrary (fallen) as well "Yo Daisy - take 5" might have been all it took by way of team changingAnd the maxim that holds now would have held then. Well designed equipment doesn't need much in the way of repair. This stuff was made in Israel not in China. You are a product of the disposable age Ringo. It shows.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Got a salt concentration in mind - all unknowns considered.And remember the freshwater collection device mentioned previously

In fact, have we anything to suppose this vessel was seagoing at all? Float her on a OT-style Sea of Galilee and wait for fresh flood waters running down the mountainsides to lift her. Your own, personal, water tank - until the, by now, diluted seas overflow the mountains.And plenty of fish to eat.Location, location, location.

So, are you suggesting that animals have become less domesticated through history?Also, I find it odd than Noah came up with all sorts of animal-powered technology which immediately afterwards disappeared from history. Isn't it simpler to just assume Noah's ark is a myth, just like the thousands of other myths from other cultures that Biblical literalists don't believe in?Edited by Gary, : changed something about animal powered technology

450' x 75' x 45'. There are no pieces of wood that big. Therefore there were joints. Therefore there were leaks. It only rained for 40 days. They needed to store what they needed for the remaining 330 days. (And wooden storage tanks also leak. How much of a safety margin do you suppose they'd need?) Pumping was necessary to prevent sinking. Hibernation has nothing to do with it. Pumping was necessary to prevent sinking. Waste disposal has nothing to do with it. And the bears might have eaten porridge, sat in chairs and slept in beds.... Don't know much about boats, do ya? My uncle's 40' troller required constant repair - and it was in better shape than most. You're lookin' at an ark more than a thousand times the size, with a crew of eight.My guess is it never would have lifted off the ground. (When are we going to see that creationist prototype?)

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The thread supposes an ark and I presume other items contained in the Genesis narrative. Those being a given, all kinds of lesser wonders spring (oops) to mind.Consequences of multi-century old men knocking up design and build projects of this magnitude allow for reasonable speculation as to what else might have been possible.When it comes to detailed facts we're all speculating here. And having some fun to boot..When it comes to belief - well that's your own choice