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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Therefore there were joints. Therefore there were leaks. Non sequitur
It only rained for 40 days. They needed to store what they needed for the remaining 330 days. (And wooden storage tanks also leak. How much of a safety margin do you suppose they'd need?) See location, location, location hypothesis (that'll get em going) above
My uncle's 40' troller required constant repair As will he, if he attempts to live to 950 years. They don't make em like they used to: men or boats
Don't know much about boats, do ya?... My guess is it never would have lifted off the ground. Don't know much about buoyancy do you? The ark was made of wood - nigh on all of which is far less dense than water (which is why boats get built from wood very often) the contents of the ark was air and species which are largely water themselves. Any sized boat can float.
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Gary Inactive Member |
The Bible claims that Noah lived 350 years after the flood, dying at the age of 950. This is in Genesis 9:29. I would think that over the course of 350 years, someone would have found a use for the technology he developed, which would be quite advanced for his time. He could have helped rebuild civilization, since he was obviously quite spry at 600, building the largest object ever made up until that time and keeping it afloat while taking care of thousands of animals. Had Noah existed, he would have been able to greatly advance technology, but for some reason he did not, choosing instead to leave not a scrap of evidence of his own existence besides a story so absurd that any thinking person should be able to discount it.
iano writes: When it comes to belief - well that's your own choice It isn't for the kids who are taught these things by people who they assume aren't lying. Disbelief is often more of a choice than belief.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Had Noah existed, he would have been able to greatly advance technology, but for some reason he did not, Having seen some of the mess technology has enabled I imagine one might ponder on the wisdom of propagating it. Technology is a double-edged sword (see: The Manhattan Project)
choosing instead to leave not a scrap of evidence of his own existence besides a story so absurd that any thinking person should be able to discount it. There wasn't much evidence to leave. Especially if one considers the value of wood in a landscape possibly devoid of it. Noah sounds to me like a pragmatic man who would consider his burgeoning familes shelter more important that trying to convince a world of something they wouldn't believe even if it came down and turned water into wine
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Therefore there were joints. Therefore there were leaks. Non sequitur Don't know much about wood either, do ya? All wooden boats leak because of the joints and the joints "work" in a seaway, getting looser and looser... until the joints fail and the boat falls apart.
The ark was made of wood - nigh on all of which is far less dense than water (which is why boats get built from wood very often) the contents of the ark was air and species which are largely water themselves. Sure, the pieces would float. Little good that would do the living cargo. (Though it would explain the multiplicity of "found" arks.)
They don't make em like they used to: men or boats This is a science forum. You can take that to the fairy tale forum. ------------- But we are getting away from the topic of food/water requirements. Kindly restrict your nonsense to that subject. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Gary Inactive Member |
iano writes: Having seen some of the mess technology has enabled I imagine one might ponder on the wisdom of propagating it. Technology is a double-edged sword (see: The Manhattan Project) Technology in Noah's time, whenever that was, was so primitive that Noah would not see any need to keep his accomplishments secret.
iano writes: There wasn't much evidence to leave. Especially if one considers the value of wood in a landscape possibly devoid of it. Noah sounds to me like a pragmatic man who would consider his burgeoning familes shelter more important that trying to convince a world of something they wouldn't believe even if it came down and turned water into wine I'm glad we can agree that there is no evidence. Why should anyone believe this story?
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Wood swells as it takes on moisture, Useful tendency that for an informed boat builder with time on his hands - so long as every leak-prone joint utilises that feature of wood. Read: joints that lock tighter together as moisture content increases. The point is, a little basic engineering takes care of a multitude. Water isn't necessarily as issue at all if the ark took to freshwater. We have unlimited bait, a sewage eating fish and a consumer - sounds like the ark is in business
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
This thread assumes a massive ark in order for it to float. I'll keep all technological claims within a nautical mile of that assumption - I promise
Why should anyone believe this story? Because the Bible tells me so
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Wepwawet Member (Idle past 6136 days) Posts: 85 From: Texas Joined: |
This thread assumes a massive ark in order for it to float. I'll keep all technological claims within a nautical mile of that assumption - I promise
So far we've only used the measurements provided in The Bible. If you assume an 18 inch cubit this gives you a size of roughly 450' X 75' X 45'. Of course since Noah was such an old testament guy he may have had 36 inch cubits...or maybe not: Mrs. Noah: (laughing)"Yes dear...I'm sure that really is six cubits". And if Noah was such a technical old geek, why didn't he just collect DNA samples, stick the test tube in his pocket and clone the critters when he got out of his dinghy? Oh wait...The Bible doesn't say he didn't...hmmmm. Edited by Wepwawet, : Capitalizing Bible because it's a proper noun and all... Edited by Wepwawet, : No reason given. When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data. - Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Read: joints that lock tighter together as moisture content increases. quote: The pitch within and without would prevent the wood from absorbing moisture. Why do you suppose it is that every wooden boat ever built leaks at the joints - whether or not they are "pitched"? Your "self-sealing" is just another fairy tale. Now, how about the topic? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
And if Noah was such a technical old geek, At the age he was he was running at the equivilent of the peak of his intellectual powers if you compared him to us Consider this stone which forms part of the 1st century bc wall around Jerusalem.
One of the stones in the Wall measures more than 40 feet long, and weighs 400 tons. This is the largest stone ever quarried by man - nothing near its size exists in Greece, in the pyramids, or in Manhattan. No crane today can even lift such a stone. How it got there is an engineering marvel. Others stones are over 100 tons. These stones can be viewed in the archeological tunnels that have been opened in the past few years. I saw this beast with my own eyes. I tried slipping a piece of paper between its perfectly square edge and the the perfectly square edge of the stone laid next to it. It didn't go in more that an inch before buckling
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5862 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Because the Bible tells me so No it doesn't your ridiculous misinterpretation of someone else's translation tells you so. It's obviously a parable (in fact; it's very similar to parables in many other cultures) and you are choosing to believe in something that was written as fiction. It's just like someone picking up the odyssey and reading it as a 100% historical account.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Iano, are you planning on citing the tourist's review you lifted your quoted portion from?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Read the post upthread about hibernation to reduce your need to pump to acceptable levels
Hibernation and Faith's rediculous idea about starving the animals into a coma would ensure that if any animals survived their time on the ark they'd quickly die once they got off of it. If the animals hibernated and consumed their stored energy thne they'd have to eat once they woke up, so it's either good-bye prey animals or starvation for the predators. The starve the animals into a coma idea is even more bullshit, how healthy are they goning to be at the end of the journey? They're either gonna be easy meat for the predators that just woke up from hibernation or they'll die when they try to be fruitful and multipy. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
The pitch within and without would prevent the wood from absorbing moisture. This is even better. Look!
There is no need to paint Noah's Ark black - the pitch was probably extracted from pine trees (which might be "gopher wood" anyway). Perfectly water proof, gum based pitch melts easily, has a faint pine odor, looks like a thick varnish, makes a non-slip surface and remains flexible. It can be used as both a coating and an adhesive. Manufacture is simple [3]. Surely this is the perfect material, even by today's standards. Can you imagine the strength of a finely made tongue-and-groove joint which is glued together? Friccin' impregnable that. "Noah, take a bow (oops)"
Now, how about the topic? I'm trying to save the topic. According to you the ark would have sunk before anyone got thirsty or hungry enough to require all the food and water we're trying to load on board. Scuttle the ship before she sails as it were Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Sure. It bloody impressive I tell you.
Page not found - aish.com Under the subheading "Stones" a mouse roll or two down the page Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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