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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
It isn't enough to feed the animals on the ark. They will need feed afterwards. A long lasting global flood will kill most vegetation. The seeds might survive, but it will take a while for those to germinate and grow. For grass eaters, it might only be a few weeks before there is sufficient. For those that feed on tree foliage, it will take a while longer.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Look! Please cite your source so we can look.
According to you the ark would have sunk before anyone got thirsty or hungry enough to require all the food and water we're trying to load on board. It's a given that the ark was a physical impossibliity. Otherwise, creationists would have built a working prototype by now. The premise of this topic is to calculate whether or not Noah could stuff all the necessary victuals into the ark before the flood started. So far, it appears that most of the animals would not have survived the loading process. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Wepwawet Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 85 From: Texas Joined: |
One of the stones in the Wall measures more than 40 feet long, and weighs 400 tons. This is the largest stone ever quarried by man - nothing near its size exists in Greece, in the pyramids, or in Manhattan. No crane today can even lift such a stone. Are all your sources this reliable? Here...Kockums Crane - Wikipedia That one could lift 1,500 metric tons. As for it being the largest stone every quarried by man, well if you go to the quarries at Aswan you can still see a chunk of fully quarried granite weighing approximately 1,000 tons that was abandoned by the quarrymen after discovering a crack. I don't think ancient engineers would have been too impressed by your rock. Oh, and a perfectly joined piece of dry-joint masonry wouldn't allow a piece of paper in an inch. Your ancient wonder doesn't meet code I'm afraid. Get better sources. In the meantime you might want to address the topic, which isn't about the size of rocks in Israel, but about how Noah kept all those animals on board his boat with nary a pooper scooper or film crew from Animal Planet. Edited by Wepwawet, : Adding a little clarification Edited by Wepwawet, : Correcting spelling errors Edited by Wepwawet, : Gary pointed out a mistake. Thanks Gary When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data. - Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research
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ohnhai Member (Idle past 5162 days) Posts: 649 From: Melbourne, Australia Joined: |
15mill gallons (us) of water is around 57,775 m3
to store that much water in a footy (soccer) field sized space you need a tank 100m x 57m x10m in other words your water tank would take one entire floor of the ark to a depth of 10m The food stuffs I have no doubt would fill that majority of the remaining two floors leaving almost no space for the animals. Anyway you cut it the ark story (as told in the bible is a prectical impossibility)
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Gary Inactive Member |
You might want to correct that - the article says it can lift 1500 tons, not 15,000.
I don't see what the big deal is about shoving things in between rocks. If you lay two bricks atop one another, can you shove a piece of paper in between them?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a given that the ark was a physical impossibliity. Otherwise, creationists would have built a working prototype by now. It's extremely expensive for starters, and too many specifics of the design are not known. Nevertheless many have imagined it, and here is somebody who is building a 1/5 working scale model of the ark he intends to launch: BBC NEWS | Europe | Dutchman builds modern Noah's Ark From Google Images, Noah's Ark Interior And just for context, a history of drawings of the ark. The fourth down gets the dimensions right at least:
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rgb Inactive Member |
DrJones* writes
quote:I think there is a valid point here that is being burried and ignored. So, let us assume that the animal hibernated through the ordeal. What happens after they landed? It would have taken weeks for the seeds that survived the flood to germinate and grow into plants for the plant eaters to feast on. It would have taken the plant eaters at least another year to pump out babies. In the mean time, were the carnivores expected to sit there and wait while the herbivores recovered their populations?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Rainwater is certainly not salty, but as I've posted a few times recently, it is also thought that the original oceans were not salty either, since the antediluvian world was watered by "mist." The idea is that salt is leached from the sides of the continents, and from river runoff, into the oceans, which is supposedly increasing in saltiness. Also there was supposedly just one continental mass at the time of the flood, which separated as a result of breaching of the sea floor by the "fountains of the deep" (which also started volcanic activity at the bottom of the oceans), and after the separation of the continents there was of course much more surface to be eroded and leached from.
So it is not inconceivable that ocean water was drinkable. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : grammar
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think there is a valid point here that is being burried and ignored. So, let us assume that the animal hibernated through the ordeal. What happens after they landed? It would have taken weeks for the seeds that survived the flood to germinate and grow into plants for the plant eaters to feast on. It would have taken the plant eaters at least another year to pump out babies. In the mean time, were the carnivores expected to sit there and wait while the herbivores recovered their populations? The idea is that if many animals hibernated, that would cut down on the total amount of food and upkeep required, not that the need for food and upkeep would be completely eliminated. What you have described is what would have been the situation in any case, hibernation or no hibernation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Can anyone really believe such nonsense or are they just pulling our legs? I know it just boggles my mind, but then I think about the televangelists and faith healers who have ripped off so many enthusiastic believers in so many ways, and I am forced to admit that people will believe the most insane stuff! The story is so clearly a myth and so obviously sourced from the Babylonian flood myth and yet ... And they couldn't have begun to get all the animals on board and yet we are actually discussing if any of them could have survived? It seems to me more and more the brain is only with great difficulty able to at times function rationally. lfen
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rgb Inactive Member |
First of all, it wasn't my idea.
DrJones was pointing out what would happen after the flood when all the animal came out of hibernation. The plants needed weeks to regrow for the plant eaters. The plant eaters needed several years to produce enough plant eaters for the meat eaters. Did the meat eaters have to wait several years before they could start hunting or did they hibernate for several years?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Then I should have answered Dr. Jones I guess. But the point was just that hibernation is a completely different subject from the problem of food after they left the ark.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: It's extremely expensive for starters.... I figure you could make a good start for $150 million or so. That's only a fraction of the haul from the Great Creationist Video Racket.
... too many specifics of the design are not known. Not according to Answers In Genesis:
quote: They seem to know enough about ark design to proclaim it "safe". Didn't you get the memo?
... here is somebody who is building a 1/5 working scale model of the ark he intends to launch 1/5 scale is a joke. That's only 90 feet long. Thousands of wooden ships that big have been built. Unless he's going to stock it with 1/5 scale animals and 1/5 scale food, it's utterly irrelevant. Either build a full-size prototype or stop pretending there is any science behind your fantasies. Edited by Ringo, : Removed superfluous quotation mark. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Either build a full-size prototype or stop pretending there is any science behind your fantasies. You have my sympathies but I just know it wouldn't work that way. If someone did build a full size ark and it promptly sank?! That would be taken by the faithful as proof that the ark was a divine creation and Noah was inspired in his building of it so that even modern man in all his pride, knowledge, and technology can't replicate the ark. True believers will just be confirmed in their faith either way. Once you enter the magic of circular reasoning everything works to support your faith. lfen
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Your site is wrong to say that it is the "largest stone ever quarried by man".
The Baalbek site in Lebanon includes 3 stones weighing nearly 800 tons apiece, and a larger stone is abandoned in the quarry, nearby. These were placed there by the Romans - and Herod as an "ally" of Rome, would also have had access to Roman stone moving technology. http://www.ramtops.co.uk/baalbek.html Tourist sites are not always reliable - and religioss apologetic sites, talking about sites or objects of religiosu significance (as your site is) are even less trustworthy..
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