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ikabod Member (Idle past 4520 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
EvC has most certainly confirmed most of my beliefs about human beings and human nature , both the positives and the negatives ...
it has also confirmed my beliefs about churchs/organised religions ... it has most certainly challenged my beliefs about god , but it has not changed my opinion ..
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Sympathy for the underdog. You've a funny way of showing it Robin. By my reckoning you can be quite tough on them at times. Although you have more charity in your heart for them than I have it must be said Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You've a funny way of showing it Robin. By my reckoning you can be quite tough on them at times. Although you have more charity in your heart for them than I have it must be said
The underdog on this forum is the traditional Christian such as yourself. Also I am excessively turned off by those who boast of their "exemplary moral character." ABE: as regards changes in belief, some of the details of my little "system" have changed when I began to recognize some flaws in my reasoning. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
ikabod writes: it has most certainly challenged my beliefs about god In what way?
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
The underdog on this forum is the traditonal Christian such as yourself. Underdog is a relative term. If you mean pile on's then I suppose it is up to the Christian to decide how much they are willing to bite off. More doggedness than underdoggedness I suppose.
Also I am excessively turned off by those who boast of their "exemplary moral character." I dunno. It seems like a reasonable enough thing to say if one considers morality to something which is self-defined. It might not be a boast but mere statement of self-assessed fact
as regards changes in belief, some of the details of my little "system" have changed when I began to recognize some flaws in my reasoning. Fine tuning unto increased water-tightness or the initial signs of falling apart at the seams?
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4520 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
please note here i am talking about god in the widest meaning of the word ....covering all and any religious belief
there has been a number of well writen , well argued posts about the nature of god .....peoples view of what god is and is not , often expressed at a very personal level in some posts ....of what god is willing to allow and / or not allow the quality of such post demands my attention and , being the analytical type of person i am , to question why i come to differing view point . i think its good thing to challenged , after all im only human , i might be wrong some of the time ......
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Underdog is a relative term. If you mean pile on's then I suppose it is up to the Christian to decide how much they are willing to bite off. More doggedness than underdoggedness I suppose. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of an outside observer.
It might not be a boast but mere statement of self-assessed fact I find it amazing that someone would even say that.
Fine tuning unto increased water-tightness or the initial signs of falling apart at the seams? Neither. Just more puzzling.
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I'm looking at it from the standpoint of an outside observer. Welcome aboard the unfloatable ark that floats nonetheless.
I find it amazing that someone would even say that. I admire anyone who is prepared to face the natural conclusions of their philosophy - even if they sound like a horses ass doing so. I have reason to empathise in one sense
Neither. Just more puzzling. Do you get a sense that the circles are ever decreasing or increasing
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I admire anyone who is prepared to face the natural conclusions of their philosophy - even if they sound like a horses ass doing so. I have reason to empathise in one sense I suppose that's one way of looking at it.
Do you get a sense that the circles are ever decreasing or increasing Not sure what you mean. I thought for a while that if evolution is true, then God (or at least the traditional God) could not possibly exist. Now I'm not so sure. There seems to be a flaw in the "moral argument" against God (the most important anti-God argument, in my view).
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I suppose that's one way of looking at it. So few do it as to make the exception noteworthy
Not sure what you mean. I mean that I suppose you to be looking for answers. I suppose that you will be satisfied if you arrive at an answer - irrespective of what the actual contents of that answer may be. "Purposeless? Fine so long as I can be sure of it" or something like that. Are you getting closer to that objective or further away to your mind - if what I suppose of you accurately reflects your position
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
There seems to be a flaw in the "moral argument" against God (the most important anti-God argument, in my view). I like this one in his favor: 1. If God does not exist, trancendant, objective values of good and evil do not exist 2. Evil does exist 3. Therefore objective values exist and some things are really, basically, fundamentally bad. 4 Therefore God exists
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I thought for a while that if evolution is true, then God (or at least the traditional God) could not possibly exist. Now I'm not so sure. I have no problem with a Christian (according to the same definition I apply to myself) believing in Evolution. In fact I know some.
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I was skeptic of the christian god concept before I got here now I'm entirely incredulous. As for the other gods? who knows? I don't know what I don't know.
I'm not sure there is not a god but I'm as certain as I can be he's not the one that most christians talk about.
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4520 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
1. If God does not exist, trancendant, objective values of good and evil do not exist 2. Evil does exist 3. Therefore objective values exist and some things are really, basically, fundamentally bad. 4 Therefore God exists eppp you are opening a massive can of worms if you follow that logic .. . . . lets not go there as it gets very messy and asks so very err "difficult" questions about man and god .
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iano Member (Idle past 1967 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
ikabod writes: i think its good thing to challenged , after all im only human , i might be wrong some of the time ...... ikabod writes: lets not go there as it gets very messy and asks so very err "difficult" questions about man and god Heads or tails? It was a logical proof Ikabod. One can decide that evil doesn't objectively exist - in which case the proof dissolves.
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