Has EvC changed your beliefs?

EvC has most certainly confirmed most of my beliefs about human beings and human nature , both the positives and the negatives ...it has also confirmed my beliefs about churchs/organised religions ...it has most certainly challenged my beliefs about god , but it has not changed my opinion ..

You've a funny way of showing it Robin. By my reckoning you can be quite tough on them at times. Although you have more charity in your heart for them than I have it must be saidEdited by iano, : No reason given.

The underdog on this forum is the traditional Christian such as yourself. Also I am excessively turned off by those who boast of their "exemplary moral character."ABE: as regards changes in belief, some of the details of my little "system" have changed when I began to recognize some flaws in my reasoning.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

In what way?

Underdog is a relative term. If you mean pile on's then I suppose it is up to the Christian to decide how much they are willing to bite off. More doggedness than underdoggedness I suppose. I dunno. It seems like a reasonable enough thing to say if one considers morality to something which is self-defined. It might not be a boast but mere statement of self-assessed fact Fine tuning unto increased water-tightness or the initial signs of falling apart at the seams?

please note here i am talking about god in the widest meaning of the word ....covering all and any religious beliefthere has been a number of well writen , well argued posts about the nature of god .....
peoples view of what god is and is not , often expressed at a very personal level in some posts....of what god is willing to allow and / or not allowthe quality of such post demands my attention and , being the analytical type of person i am , to question why i come to differing view point .i think its good thing to challenged , after all im only human , i might be wrong some of the time ......

I'm looking at it from the standpoint of an outside observer. I find it amazing that someone would even say that. Neither. Just more puzzling.

Welcome aboard the unfloatable ark that floats nonetheless. I admire anyone who is prepared to face the natural conclusions of their philosophy - even if they sound like a horses ass doing so. I have reason to empathise in one sense Do you get a sense that the circles are ever decreasing or increasing

I suppose that's one way of looking at it. Not sure what you mean. I thought for a while that if evolution is true, then God (or at least the traditional God) could not possibly exist. Now I'm not so sure. There seems to be a flaw in the "moral argument" against God (the most important anti-God argument, in my view).

So few do it as to make the exception noteworthy I mean that I suppose you to be looking for answers. I suppose that you will be satisfied if you arrive at an answer - irrespective of what the actual contents of that answer may be. "Purposeless? Fine so long as I can be sure of it" or something like that.Are you getting closer to that objective or further away to your mind - if what I suppose of you accurately reflects your position

I like this one in his favor:1. If God does not exist, trancendant, objective values of good and evil do not exist2. Evil does exist3. Therefore objective values exist and some things are really, basically, fundamentally bad.4 Therefore God exists

I have no problem with a Christian (according to the same definition I apply to myself) believing in Evolution. In fact I know some.

I was skeptic of the christian god concept before I got here now I'm entirely incredulous. As for the other gods? who knows? I don't know what I don't know.I'm not sure there is not a god but I'm as certain as I can be he's not the one that most christians talk about.

eppp you are opening a massive can of worms if you follow that logic .. . . .lets not go there as it gets very messy and asks so very err "difficult" questions about man and god .

Heads or tails?It was a logical proof Ikabod. One can decide that evil doesn't objectively exist - in which case the proof dissolves.