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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: It's not a very good argument because the first premise is far from obviously true, and I can't think of any good argument for it (I can think of decent arguments against it). Of course if you really think it's a good argument go ahead and start a topic to discuss it.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Iano writes: It was a logical proof Ikabod No it was not. Claiming
1. If God does not exist, trancendant, objective values of good and evil do not exist 2. Evil does exist 3. Therefore objective values exist and some things are really, basically, fundamentally bad. 4 Therefore God exists
as a proof is rediculous. Evil could exist with out god. Indead, from you logic evil would not be part of the world if there was no xian god. I vote for a world with no evil and no xian god.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I posted this as a reply to Larni, but it applies to all involved in this topic diversion.
Find a better place for that side topic, be it an existing topic or a "Proposed New Topic" (Please, look for an existing topic first). Going to have to close this topic for a while if this topic diversion continues - You all have been warned. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
"Purposeless? Fine so long as I can be sure of it" or something like that. That's it exactly.
Are you getting closer to that objective or further away to your mind - if what I suppose of you accurately reflects your position No, if anything I'm more confused.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
That's it exactly. It took one to know one
No, if anything I'm more confused. Good (in a well-intentioned way)
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Sorry 'bout that Adminnemooseus.
Will keep myself on track.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
We seem to really be heading towards trading one-liners of little real substance.
Please look at your messages, past and upcoming. Is there really any content in them? If not, don't post them. Feel the need to reply to the moderator message? Take it to the "General..." topic, link below. Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change ID. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
One of the aspects of my beliefs that have changed from comming here is my belief that there is an 'absolute'. Even though I am a dyed in the wool scientist I have re-learned through discusions about logic that one cannot prove anything.
It could be said then that coming to EvC has shown me that some sort of supernatural entity could exist simple because there is a very slight chance it is true. That the nature of the devin entity is known by any one of us is that minute chance made even more minute.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Sorry... off topic.. Deleted
Edited by Creavolution, : OT
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
It could be said then that coming to EvC has shown me that some sort of supernatural entity could exist simple because there is a very slight chance it is true. God exists or he doesn't. There is no slight chance either way. The slightness you are referring to reflects, I suggest, the level of your own convictions at this point in time - which has no bearing on the actual chances. The "level of chance" might be increased slightly were you to consider that the tools which can be applied in order to lever the supernatural rock up a bit further are not those which you are used to handling so adroitly when it comes to peering under the rock of the natural world. One might accept that the 'small chance' is a function of ones own inability/unwillingness to examine in a way appropriate to that which is being examined. The bird watcher who crashes through the woods screaming "Is there any lesser spotted widgerydoos here!!" will not meet in success. What am I looking for?How might I find it? What tools might I employ? If you say "I don't know" then welcome to the world of the Pioneer
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Iano writes: God exists or he doesn't. Or he did exist or he's absence (he might have got bored and puffed himself out of existance, he might have decided to leave this universe alone and go "somewhere else"). Sure we know that's not the case with the christian godhead concept (if he/it was real) but Larni is talking about a "supernatural entity" not specific about the christian god concept. So those are prefectly valid options to consider.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
God exists or he doesn't.
Or he did exist or he's absence (he might have got bored and puffed himself out of existance, he might have decided to leave this universe alone and go "somewhere else"). If he is absent he exists, if he puffed himself out of existance he doesn't exist.
So those are prefectly valid options to consider. They are indeed. As the quote up top suggests
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Larni writes: It could be said then that coming to EvC has shown me that some sort of supernatural entity could exist simple because there is a very slight chance it is true. Ditto, Larni. My time at EvC has made me a dyed-in-the-wool agnostic, a position I long claimed without quite maintaining sufficient doubt on both sides of the question. I still see no evidence to prompt any belief in a god, but I have become more acutely aware that the absence of evidence...etc.
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thekai Inactive Member |
The discussions at EVC has not changed my beliefs, in fact it only helped solidify it. Though some posts do make me worry about how fanatical and blinded some people can be about religion.
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
The discussions at EVC has not changed my beliefs, in fact it only helped solidify it. Though some posts do make me worry about how fanatical and blinded some people can be about religion. I heartily concur. Religion...a curse on its house
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