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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5092 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
And also an application of what you are talking about is something akin to a tidal generator. Where a generator is used to harness the energy in the tides. The way it works is that the turbine is fixed to the sea floor so that water that comes in and out of the generator then moves relative to the generator. So the turbine can then turn.
If you did not fix the generator to the sea floor what would occur is that the generator would move backwards and forwards with the tide, and then the turbine would not move thus the generator would not generate energy.
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
faith writes: signed, deluded moron SuperNintendoChalmers writes: Wow, you actually got one thing right for once Why dont you watch the name calling and maybe people debating you will take you seriously. I think the forum rules talk about wisecracks and goading tactics. "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Pitching (front-to-back) and rolling (side-to-side). Both provide the up and down motion (perpendicularily) relative to the surface of the water needed to drive a pump.
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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5092 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
You state pitch and the rolling causes would provide the motion for the ark to drive the pump.
As an extension then what causes the pitch and rolling of the ark? And how does this overall pump work in removing waste from the ark? Edited by Discreet Label, : clarification
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Pitching (front-to-back) and rolling (side-to-side). Both provide the up and down motion (perpendicularily) relative to the surface of the water needed to drive a pump. There have been wooden boats around for hundreds of years (and yes, all of them leak). A hundred years ago or so, there were quite a lot of them, with quite sophisticated technology. If your "perpetual motion" pump is so blessed simple, why do you suppose nobody thought of it before? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
As an extension then what causes the pitch and rolling of the ark? And what are you using to drive the pump? I, like Noah, have no idea. Neither do I need to. All I need to observe is that boats roll relative to the surface of the water. Or I could note that waves cause vessels to rise and fall as they pass underneath them I could use either phenomenon in my design: 1. a flat sheet submerged (horizontally) in the water which would translate the rolling action into my pump. The sheet would tend to resist the rolling action 2. a float which rises and falls due to actions of peaks and troughs in water levels relative to the side of the ark - whilst the larger ark raises and lowers not. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
"perpetual motion" pump Who said anything about a perpetual motion pump?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: Who said anything about a perpetual motion pump? You did. You seem to think you can get free energy from wave motion, just like Wile E. Coyote powers his sailboat with a fan. It has been explained to you that a boat has very little motion relative to the surrounding water (and what little relative motion there is is too randomly directed to be harnessed by simple machinery). I ask again: if it's so simple, why hasn't it been done before? Edited by Ringo, : Removed an extra relative. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5092 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
So again if you were to start harnessing this, how would your pump harness this power. Your resistance idea is seemingly reasonable, so how does the resistence you speak of translate into energy for the pump?
(if you'd like to test this you could take a piece of wood, cut hole in the wood, slip a sheet of metal through and then attach the the metal to a pump and start some wave action in the pool, to see how much the pump may actually move, then move onto a small boat and so on...)
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SuperNintendo Chalmers Member (Idle past 5862 days) Posts: 772 From: Bartlett, IL, USA Joined: |
Whatever dude....
If you believe there was a worldwide flood in the last 600,000 years and that some dude built a boat and gathered all the world's life forms on it you have serious mental problems. Most 8 year olds can see this is obvious BS. I think the people that believe ridiculous crap like this should be the one's worried about being taken serious.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Say we pick the sheet pump (now, now Ringo...)
A disc of say 2 metres (whatever that is in cubits) diameter is submerged (horizontally) in the water off one side of the ark. To the centre of that disc and rising vertically, we attach a nice straight tree trunk which comes up out of the water parellel with the side of our ark. This tree truck attachs at the top (via pivot) to a horizontally mounted roughly hewn beam of wood which protrudes out of side of the ark. This beam is actually a see saw - its middle being fixed to a pivot in the side wall of the ark. For completeness sake we affix an 'eye' to the side of the ark, through which the tree trunk passes, half way between the beam and the disc Roll the ark back and foward. The resistance of the disc to movement through the water will cause the beam to see-saw - the end on the inside rising up and down. A float would achieve the same thing Attach this end to the pump Commence pumping. It works! No shit - literally! Edited by iano, : change perpendicular to parellel Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
On of the really great hurdles that had to be overcome to make voyaging safe and possible was "How to build a timepiece that worked at sea?" All of the motions iano is proposing were there to be used, but unfortuantely, all of that available energy actually precluded the possibility of building such a timepiece. It was not until ways were found to isolate and remove the effects of those motions, and an alternative power source was developed that did not depend on those motions that a maritime clock became possible.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I remember reading a popularized book on that subject a few years back. "Longtitude" or something it was called.
Fascinating stuff
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Did you ever see a movie called Longitude?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: It works! References please. This is a science thread, so I'm officially asking for evidence, links, photographs, etc. of such a pump in actual use. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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