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Topic: Has EvC changed your beliefs?
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robinrohan
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Message 11 of 223 (326977)
06-27-2006 9:45 PM
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It hasn't changed my beliefs, but it has changed my emotions. Sympathy for the underdog.
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robinrohan
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Message 18 of 223 (327074)
06-28-2006 7:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by iano
06-28-2006 6:59 AM
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You've a funny way of showing it Robin. By my reckoning you can be quite tough on them at times. Although you have more charity in your heart for them than I have it must be said
The underdog on this forum is the traditional Christian such as yourself. Also I am excessively turned off by those who boast of their "exemplary moral character." ABE: as regards changes in belief, some of the details of my little "system" have changed when I began to recognize some flaws in my reasoning. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan
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Message 22 of 223 (327083)
06-28-2006 8:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by iano
06-28-2006 8:14 AM
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Underdog is a relative term. If you mean pile on's then I suppose it is up to the Christian to decide how much they are willing to bite off. More doggedness than underdoggedness I suppose. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of an outside observer.
It might not be a boast but mere statement of self-assessed fact I find it amazing that someone would even say that.
Fine tuning unto increased water-tightness or the initial signs of falling apart at the seams? Neither. Just more puzzling.
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robinrohan
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Message 24 of 223 (327087)
06-28-2006 8:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 23 by iano
06-28-2006 8:32 AM
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I admire anyone who is prepared to face the natural conclusions of their philosophy - even if they sound like a horses ass doing so. I have reason to empathise in one sense I suppose that's one way of looking at it.
Do you get a sense that the circles are ever decreasing or increasing Not sure what you mean. I thought for a while that if evolution is true, then God (or at least the traditional God) could not possibly exist. Now I'm not so sure. There seems to be a flaw in the "moral argument" against God (the most important anti-God argument, in my view).
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robinrohan
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Message 34 of 223 (327119)
06-28-2006 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by iano
06-28-2006 8:55 AM
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"Purposeless? Fine so long as I can be sure of it" or something like that. That's it exactly.
Are you getting closer to that objective or further away to your mind - if what I suppose of you accurately reflects your position No, if anything I'm more confused.
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robinrohan
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Message 47 of 223 (327254)
06-28-2006 4:00 PM
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other changes
I can add some other changes that occurred with me as a result of time spent on evc: 1. I read up some on evolution. I read through Mayr's "What Evolution Is," for example, so I know more about it now. 2. I found out that genetics is a mighty complicated subject. 3. I think less of the liberal version of Christianity than I used to. It seems now to me like a watered-down, sentimental version of life. 4. I'm more precise about my own version of "nihilism."
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robinrohan
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Message 49 of 223 (327262)
06-28-2006 4:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Heathen
06-28-2006 4:02 PM
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Re: other changes
Will you be calling it "Rohanism"? That sounds a little egotistical, and I, being of exemplary moral character, cannot afford to be egotistical. iano has called it "Robinihilism."
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robinrohan
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Message 53 of 223 (327289)
06-28-2006 6:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by iano
06-28-2006 6:15 PM
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Re: Not Worried - Just Amused
If there was a genuine EvC get together and it wasn't a zillion miles away from an international airport, then I would fly to the States to make it there. I'm sure you can put away your share of pints, iano. Maybe a London pub would be better. You could ride your motorcycle over.
"Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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robinrohan
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Message 59 of 223 (327305)
06-28-2006 7:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by randman
06-28-2006 7:06 PM
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Re: firmed up rejection of evo models
My experience here at EvC has resulted in deepening suspicions I held about evo proponents and has broadened my understanding of the Theory of Evolution, exposing many more holes in it than I realized before. Well, that pretty well sums it up, doesn't it? Along with this view, speaking of the fundamentalists, by Jazzn:
At the worst I can only call it unadulterated intellectual depravity One is reminded of that poem of Auden, speaking on the eve of war:
And the living nations wait,
Each sequestered in its hate . . . ABE: I like it. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
"Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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robinrohan
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Re: The amount of evidence is amazing!
Since joining EvC, I have had to do a bit of research to write posts. I was amazed at how much evidence their is to support the theory of evolution. Before I joined, I thought that the main evidence was a plausibility argument along with a few fossils, and the Linnean classification. Me too. The most impressive is the reptile-to-mammal line. I don't understand logic, but I think I picked it up.
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robinrohan
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Message 71 of 223 (327400)
06-29-2006 5:46 AM
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I don't really know how to say what I am about to without offending some people and I am also not really sure if I care because I don't believe the same regard would be held for me (seeing that in the past it has not) if the situation was reversed. I have learned on this forum what I believe to be the absolute spiritual, emotional, and intellectual bankruptcy of the stereotypical fundamentalist position. Bankruptcy may even be too lenient a word. At the worst I can only call it unadulterated intellectual depravity. I have seen what I feel is raw hate, racism, and other types of discrimination. I have seen levels of incredulity that I did not know a human being could even attain without the assistance of some kind of disorder. I am sort of typing stream of consciousness right now and I feel like some of that might be harsh but I cannot really describe how I feel about it accurately any other way. I guess this is the really good part? Huh?
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robinrohan
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Message 77 of 223 (327776)
06-30-2006 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by CK
06-30-2006 1:52 PM
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Re: Over the Line
stereotypical fundamentalist position This I puzzled over. Why would one set up a stereotype and then attack it? I guess he meant that some of these people are depraved and some are not--that he was referring to some but not all fundamentalists. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan
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Message 83 of 223 (327786)
06-30-2006 2:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Jazzns
06-30-2006 2:07 PM
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Re: Over the Line
I am not referring to any fundamentalists. I am referring to the position. But the word "stereotypical" suggests an exaggeration of the true position, as when someone says, "Oh, that's just a stereotype."
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robinrohan
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Message 98 of 223 (327969)
07-01-2006 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
07-01-2006 10:30 AM
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No, evc hasn't changed my beliefs. Maybe confirmed me more solidly in them. Can you elaborate a little?
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robinrohan
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Message 119 of 223 (328278)
07-02-2006 1:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by Larni
07-01-2006 8:18 PM
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You know, believing that one is right is also the thing that I have learnt fro EvC not do: That seems strange to me. If I did not think I was right, I would change my mind and think some other way. Everyone thinks they are right.
"Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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