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Author Topic:   The Naturalistic God of Creationism
honda33
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Message 7 of 19 (327505)
06-29-2006 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by arachnophilia
06-29-2006 3:20 AM


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i find it curious that (according to faith) no creationist ascribes supernatural powers to their god. in cases like the flood, instead of saying, "evidence be damned; it was a miracle," they attempt to explain away evidence. this is a tendency i've noticed for a while. they try to find naturalistic explanations for things like the flood, or the parting of the red sea, etc, in order to confirm the bible as literally true.
but in the process, they are actually writing god out of the equation. if it's not a miracle, why do we need god in the story? creationists often attack science as a godless alternative mythology -- but then why try to justify their beliefs with science? if belief trumps evidence, why even try to explain the evidence? why not just take the bible's word and call it a miracle, which by definition is something outside the realm of natural explanation?
It's funny that you raised this issue, because the very same question kept running through my mind reading those recent flood threads.
What has become of the supernatural God my mother taught me about?
I guess Creationism killed Him. In their quest to extend their control of ideas beyond the four walls of their churches they inadvertently killed their God. God was the casualty of a power quest by creationists, a sort of collateral damage. One day creationism will be accepted universally as science... we will have a second resurrection then.

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honda33
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Message 12 of 19 (327754)
06-30-2006 12:00 PM
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06-29-2006 11:21 PM


I don't see how science could ever accept creationism. Science only accepts concepts that are based on the scientific method. Even if all scientists accepted it, creationism would still be no more than the religious beliefs of those scientists.
Creationists seem to be trying to find evidence for something that people once accepted without question.
But the question is why....
It's about power. Throughout history religion has had a monopoly on truth. Any edict by a religious leader was deemed to be unchallengeable. Science is antithesis to religious dogma because it requires that you "show the sidework". Science is a major component of modern societies and it is a domain where religion does not have dominion. So do creationists reject science? Obviously not.. but they do not just want to accept it , they want to control it , they want to make sure is doesn't conradict any of their beliefs. Have you noticed that creationists are only interested in science that contradicts their interpretation of the Bible?
If they find no evidence, they will have faith to fall back on. If they find evidence, it wouldn't kill God, it would only kill faith, the significance of which would be altered greatly.
But if you kill faith, you have effective kill God( atleast the supernatural variant). Can God exist without faith?
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