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Author Topic:   The Flood - Animals and their minimum food requirement
jar
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Message 46 of 239 (326947)
06-27-2006 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Gary
06-27-2006 8:19 PM


Re: Could immature animals be taken aboard?
One other problem with young critters is that often they need a whole different food set than when fully grown, for example masticated worms and partially digested material. Also, they would have to know the full lifecycle of the critters including generational changes to plan ahead for teh food supply.
I wonder which one of the kids got to chew up the rotten meat and then regurgitate it for the baby hyena kinds?

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Message 51 of 239 (326956)
06-27-2006 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Discreet Label
06-27-2006 8:46 PM


Re: Water Water everywhere, yet not a drop to drink!
Salt densities are less at the surface where eye-dropper-like rain falls than at lower layers?.
Remember this eye-dropper-like rain also carved the Grand Canyon, laid down the whole geological column, split continents ...
Can anyone really believe such nonsense or are they just pulling our legs?

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Message 114 of 239 (327480)
06-29-2006 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Coragyps
06-29-2006 11:13 AM


Re: Like a fish out of water
There is also the issue of depth. A flood that covers the earth will have a major effect and one that will also leave very easily recognized evidence.
For example, even if what some YECs and others who believe in the Biblical Flood are right and there were no high mountain ranges at the time, there would still be hills of some hundreds of feet in height. There was still land, and water did run off so there was some variation in land topography.
If you add a water column even just a few hundred feet high you totally change the ecology of the sea floor. What was once at a depth of 60 feet will now be at a depth of several hundred feet, and as anyone who dives knows, the ecology at 60 feet is entirely different than that at 260 feet.
But we stray from the topic.
To return towards that, I have a question.
Folk have said that the main water supply was rain water.
IIRC the order of the Biblical event was lots of rain at the beginning, along with one bodacious storm. That was followed by a much longer period where they floated around while the water supposedly ran off.
So here are the questions.
  • how much water must be stored to last 8 humans and an unknown number of critters for the long post rain period?
  • where did the water run off to?

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jar
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Message 119 of 239 (327516)
06-29-2006 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Faith
06-29-2006 2:30 PM


Re: Just a little question
Let me just ask: If you were as absolutely convinced of the truth of the Bible account of the flood as a fundamentalist is, absolutely without a doubt knowing that it happened as described, knowing that God is the inspirer of the whole thing, how would you go about answering science's contention that it didn't happen?
Been there and eventually simply had to abandon the belief that the flood happened.
BUT...
if you want to prove that it did happen, you need to be able to show how every single piece of evidence that refutes the flood myth can be resolved. Some things that will have to be addressed are:
  • the fact that reef coral samples do not all show a period of die off that is uniform worldwide and at the same level.
  • why there is no signs of a flood that happened at one particular time all over the world.
  • how particular animals (for example the unique species found in australia and on certain islands) migrated there in the time frame allowed by the biblical flood.
  • why there is no genetic bottleneck common to all species and happening at the same time.
  • the specific flood model that would explain things like the Grand Canyon and other similar geological formations world wide.
  • why records like ice core samples that go back many, many tens of thousands of years do not show a flood.
  • a model for super-hyper-macroevolution that would explain how in only 4500 years a body of critters that could fit on one or a few football fields could expand into what is seen today.
  • a model that explains where all the water came from, and physical evidence that supports that.
  • an even tougher job would be to explain where all the water went, and the physical evidence that supports that.
  • a complete description and definition of kind that can be supported by some physical evidence.
Those would do as a start to simply get the theory on the table for discussion. Without them, there is little the flood supporters can do.
Edited by jar, : add "can be resolved"

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jar
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Message 138 of 239 (328283)
07-02-2006 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
07-02-2006 11:12 AM


Re: Just a little question
I have never imputed evil motives to anyone. Or it's extremely rare if I ever have. Calling someone an idiot is not imputing evil motives. Whereas it is standard here for creationists to be called "Willfully ignorant" or accused of lying.
Calling someone wilfully ignorant is not imputing evil motives, it is describing their behavior. It's not even like calling someone an idiot or moron.
The key point is how do folk that believe in the flood explain how the animals on the alleged ark were gathered, housed, fed and cared for? Once we get that settled we can move on to issues like the rate of evolution needed after the alleged flood, how the new critters could be fed, distribution, unique species like those found in Australia or islands.
Edited by jar, : -d

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