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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Hello der Chirp
You make some interesting ideas. I cant respond to all (and some I might be a little humerous) but you wrote them very well. Now on some things:
Chiroptera writes: although I wouldn't go around harrasing Pregnant women I dont harass pregnant chicks either, save when I am trying to go out on a date with them roflmao.
Chiroptera writes: the health risks of pregnancy and birth is less for a dog (the upright posture and big brains of humans are a source of many of the health risks of birth) Depends on the dog breed. Bulldogs for example often have to get c-section surgeries to deliver puppies, because the unborn puppies heads are so large that they can block a dog's birth canal(See page 24 of National Geographic Jan 2002 issue and "Smithsonian handbooks: Dogs" page 39) Intersting positions. Especially about the fish (i think they have some sort of mind or mentality, if not something else like a primitive or proto conscience. I believe they have a soul, but that's getting off topic.) Nice chatting with yah again Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given. "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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rgb Inactive Member |
Chiroptera, you haven't really answered my questions.
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rgb Inactive Member |
LudoRephaim writes
quote:Some forms of genetic disorder, say trisomy 21, makes the "person" less genetically similar to the normal person than a chimpanzee. quote:Have you seen god? If so, how extensive was your study if HIS anatomy? quote:As I pointed out, noone seems to be able to agree on any one definition of a person. quote:Yes, but only if you have money and be able to find a physician that is willing to do it. Most vets aren't qualified. quote:Perhaps there are more things in common between us than I thought. quote:You are now using the potential argument. I feel your pain, but consider using other approaches that are not so easily shot out of the water. quote:Nah, I just pulled those out of my butt at the moment.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Just out of curiosity, do you eat meat? I mean, I'm wondering if you make the same distinction between a warm-and-fuzzy animal and a tasty one as you make between a baby and a fetus.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
A Google search on "third trimester abortion reasons" turned up a page from Planned Parenthood. Besides the geographic and social barriers that prevent a timely first trimester abortion, they list:
Medical indications may lead to abortion after 12 weeks. Discovery of serious fetal anomalies, such as severe genetic disorders, or conditions in which the woman's health is threatened or aggravated by continuing her pregnancy include * certain types of infections * heart failure * malignant hypertension, including preeclampsia * out-of-control diabetes * serious renal disease * severe depression * suicidal tendencies Is this what you were asking for? "These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not." -- Ernie Cline
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Is Partial birth abortion murder? It depends on your local laws.
I am asking this because some say that a fetus isn't human until after it is born. A human's fetus is always human.
If the fetus/baby is born halfway, is it human or not?? Defintely human.
If a baby is halfway born (partial birth), is it called a "fetaby" or a "betus"?? I believe it is called a fetus.
Hypothetically, if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a fetus, all the way to an embryo, is a human being, would you still support a woman's right to choose? Depends on what you mean by human being. The embryo is certainly human, and I support a woman's right to choose.
If your loveable dog is pregnant with puppies, but you dont want them and cant support them with your finances, would you abort the puppies, or give away or sell them to a family that has a desire for 'em? It depends on what I feel is best at the time. I'm not sure what possible complications aborting small mammals carries with it, and dogs have litters, which might have other complications. Also - if finances were poor, I'd consider selling the bitch or fixing her.
5. If a Fetus is not human, would it be regarded as an animal, and if so, subject to animal rights? No - it would not be an animal, I'd imagine it would simply be unclassified bio-matter. If it is an animal, then it is human.
If a baby is a baby after it comes out of the womans birth canal, then if a guy is making love to a woman, would he be a little less than human? No. If you mean if a baby is only human after it comes out.... The answer is still no. The guy was born, and is thus human.
If it was made legal to end the life of a 1-10 year old kid if the parent/parents make that choice, would you be for or against it? It really depends on the specifics. The chances are I'd be adamantly against it.
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Didn't know about trisomy 21. Intersting disorder. I'll look up mo' on it.
rgb writes: Have you seen god? If so, how extensive was your study on HIS anatomy? Um, isn't this getting alittle bit off topic? I haven't seen God, nor made a detailed map of his, er, anatomy (if he even has one)but I think we are gonna chase rabbits if we get stucxk on that.
rgb writes: You are now using the potential argument Is this a logical fallacy of some kind? If so I'll look it up and remember to think twice before using something like it. "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Ringo writes: Do you eat meat? Depends. I'll eat pepperoni on a pizza, CRISP bacon (turkey or pig), burgers, hot dogs and beefy mexican food. Anything else I will probably gag. I do love animals, but I have no problem with eating meat. The Bible says it's okay (Gen 9:1-3)and protien can do a body good. But I wont eat meat that was from an animal mistreated (you dont want to know how Veal comes to you...) or slaughtered horrifically, nor will I eat endangered animal meat. I make no distintcions between babies and "fetuses". And the way you are using it, it's not a good analogy, since humans are not on dah menu (though I have heared China allows aborted unborn to be devoured in resteraunts. Bon appitite!) "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
You've made your ideas short and to the point. I never witnessed a person admitting that at fetus is human, yet still for pro choice abortion. You are honest.
"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Who here has said that a fetus, or an embryo for that matter, ISN'T human?
Of course it is. It isnt dog or parakeet. Your skin cells are human, your hair is human...your DNA is human. The question is, is it a HUMAN BEING.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: Doubtful. Edited by Chiroptera, : Changed subtitle. "These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not." -- Ernie Cline
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LudoRephaim writes: I make no distintcions between babies and "fetuses". And the way you are using it, it's not a good analogy, since humans are not on dah menu I didn't mean it as an analogy - I was just wondering if you saw a similarity. Clearly, you don't. I agree with you on meat-eating and I agree with Mod on abortion. I don't "support" abortion, but I support a woman's right to make her own choice. Similarly, I don't support eating vanilla ice cream, but I support a person's right to make that choice. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If you are eating mass-market pepperoni, hot dogs, bacon, or hamburger, you ARE eating meat that has come from an animal that is extremely likely to have been mistreated and slaughtered horrifically.
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rgb Inactive Member |
Chiroptera writes
quote:Again, either you don't understand what I'm asking for or you are avoiding the question. I recognize all of the above. In the message where I asked the questions, I specifically referred to the very late term abortion, where the woman is a few weeks to a few days away from the due date. To my understanding, with enough medical attention, the aborted fetus (baby) could still live. What are some medical reasons why the brain has to be sucked out rather than just letting the fetus come out all the way and then be taken from the mother right away (assuming she doesn't want it) for some serious medical attention? To my understanding, abortion is considered getting rid of the parasite that is inhabiting the woman. If there is the slightest chance that it could still live after exiting the woman's body, what are the reasons why we shouldn't let it? Edited by rgb, : No reason given.
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
sorry Asgara, I misunderstood what Modulus said.
"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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