Abortion questions...?

Hello der ChirpYou make some interesting ideas. I cant respond to all (and some I might be a little humerous) but you wrote them very well. Now on some things: I dont harass pregnant chicks either, save when I am trying to go out on a date with them roflmao. Depends on the dog breed. Bulldogs for example often have to get c-section surgeries to deliver puppies, because the unborn puppies heads are so large that they can block a dog's birth canal(See page 24 of National Geographic Jan 2002 issue and "Smithsonian handbooks: Dogs" page 39)Intersting positions. Especially about the fish (i think they have some sort of mind or mentality, if not something else like a primitive or proto conscience. I believe they have a soul, but that's getting off topic.)Nice chatting with yah again Edited by LudoRephaim, : No reason given.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Chiroptera, you haven't really answered my questions.

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DNA could possibly help with that.

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Some forms of genetic disorder, say trisomy 21, makes the "person" less genetically similar to the normal person than a chimpanzee.

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The Biblical definition of bearing the "image of God" would work if religious definitions are needed.

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Have you seen god? If so, how extensive was your study if HIS anatomy?

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you can use other religious books as well if they have their own definitions.

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As I pointed out, noone seems to be able to agree on any one definition of a person.

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Do they actually do animal abortions?

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Yes, but only if you have money and be able to find a physician that is willing to do it. Most vets aren't qualified.

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That's just a stereotype. I happen to love animals more than most humans. I also support a clean environment and universal healthcare. But on issues such as this i am conservative.

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Perhaps there are more things in common between us than I thought.

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Skin cells would be defined as a microorganism, not a animal in the macro sense or consumer sense. I dont think they are animals but a part of a whole living being. Of course the skin cell wont grow into a human like an embryo if left to it's own devices.

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You are now using the potential argument. I feel your pain, but consider using other approaches that are not so easily shot out of the water.

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good responses.

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Nah, I just pulled those out of my butt at the moment.

Just out of curiosity, do you eat meat? I mean, I'm wondering if you make the same distinction between a warm-and-fuzzy animal and a tasty one as you make between a baby and a fetus.

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A Google search on "third trimester abortion reasons" turned up a page from Planned Parenthood. Besides the geographic and social barriers that prevent a timely first trimester abortion, they list: Is this what you were asking for?

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"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
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It depends on your local laws. A human's fetus is always human. Defintely human. I believe it is called a fetus. Depends on what you mean by human being. The embryo is certainly human, and I support a woman's right to choose. It depends on what I feel is best at the time. I'm not sure what possible complications aborting small mammals carries with it, and dogs have litters, which might have other complications. Also - if finances were poor, I'd consider selling the bitch or fixing her. No - it would not be an animal, I'd imagine it would simply be unclassified bio-matter. If it is an animal, then it is human. No.If you mean if a baby is only human after it comes out....The answer is still no. The guy was born, and is thus human. It really depends on the specifics. The chances are I'd be adamantly against it.

Didn't know about trisomy 21. Intersting disorder. I'll look up mo' on it. Um, isn't this getting alittle bit off topic? I haven't seen God, nor made a detailed map of his, er, anatomy (if he even has one)but I think we are gonna chase rabbits if we get stucxk on that. Is this a logical fallacy of some kind? If so I'll look it up and remember to think twice before using something like it.

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Depends. I'll eat pepperoni on a pizza, CRISP bacon (turkey or pig), burgers, hot dogs and beefy mexican food. Anything else I will probably gag. I do love animals, but I have no problem with eating meat. The Bible says it's okay (Gen 9:1-3)and protien can do a body good. But I wont eat meat that was from an animal mistreated (you dont want to know how Veal comes to you...) or slaughtered horrifically, nor will I eat endangered animal meat.I make no distintcions between babies and "fetuses". And the way you are using it, it's not a good analogy, since humans are not on dah menu (though I have heared China allows aborted unborn to be devoured in resteraunts. Bon appitite!)

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

You've made your ideas short and to the point. I never witnessed a person admitting that at fetus is human, yet still for pro choice abortion. You are honest.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

Who here has said that a fetus, or an embryo for that matter, ISN'T human?Of course it is. It isnt dog or parakeet. Your skin cells are human, your hair is human...your DNA is human.The question is, is it a HUMAN BEING.

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(though I have heared China allows aborted unborn to be devoured in resteraunts. Bon appitite!)

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Doubtful.Edited by Chiroptera, : Changed subtitle.

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"These monkeys are at once the ugliest and the most beautiful creatures on the planet./ And the monkeys don't want to be monkeys; they want to be something else./ But they're not."
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I didn't mean it as an analogy - I was just wondering if you saw a similarity. Clearly, you don't. I agree with you on meat-eating and I agree with Mod on abortion. I don't "support" abortion, but I support a woman's right to make her own choice. Similarly, I don't support eating vanilla ice cream, but I support a person's right to make that choice.

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I'll eat pepperoni on a pizza, CRISP bacon (turkey or pig), burgers, hot dogs and beefy mexican food. Anything else I will probably gag. I do love animals, but I have no problem with eating meat. The Bible says it's okay (Gen 9:1-3)and protien can do a body good. But I wont eat meat that was from an animal mistreated (you dont want to know how Veal comes to you...) or slaughtered horrifically

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If you are eating mass-market pepperoni, hot dogs, bacon, or hamburger, you ARE eating meat that has come from an animal that is extremely likely to have been mistreated and slaughtered horrifically.

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Is this what you were asking for?

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Again, either you don't understand what I'm asking for or you are avoiding the question.I recognize all of the above. In the message where I asked the questions, I specifically referred to the very late term abortion, where the woman is a few weeks to a few days away from the due date. To my understanding, with enough medical attention, the aborted fetus (baby) could still live.What are some medical reasons why the brain has to be sucked out rather than just letting the fetus come out all the way and then be taken from the mother right away (assuming she doesn't want it) for some serious medical attention?To my understanding, abortion is considered getting rid of the parasite that is inhabiting the woman. If there is the slightest chance that it could still live after exiting the woman's body, what are the reasons why we shouldn't let it?Edited by rgb, : No reason given.

sorry Asgara, I misunderstood what Modulus said.

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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4