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Adminnemooseus
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Message 151 of 304 (323630)
06-19-2006 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by nator
06-19-2006 8:25 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Admin did his input on this at message 140.
Admin writes:
I guess I should say something, because the speculation doesn't seem fair to Brian.
Brian hasn't done anything wrong in the public forums. There's a private issue under discussion in the admin forum on which Brian has some very strong feelings, and sometimes moderation is necessary even in the admin forum. Brian shouldn't have posted about a private matter to a public thread. I hope Brian's permissions can be restored soon.
Rehashing what Admin said (with other info from this topic) - There was an AdminBrian problem in the "Private Administration Forum" (PAF). AdminBrian was suspended (this revealed by Brian upthread). Brian then more or less brought the issue to a public forum (this topic). Brian was suspended.
This all is an evo-side admin(s) vs. evo-side admin(s) issue. Nothing like this has ever happened before. Like I said in the subtitle - "A special situation".
You have PAF access as AdminSchraf. Perhaps you would like to pursue this matter futher there.
Adminnemooseus

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Brian
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Message 152 of 304 (327823)
06-30-2006 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by rgb
06-17-2006 9:44 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Before he became an admin, he had to demonstrate a certain level of control to be "awarded" such an authority.
Indeed.
Which begs the question of why someone who has been banned more times than Frankie Goes to Hollywood was invited over a dozen times to become an admin.
Oh well, at least it looks good.
Brian

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CK
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Message 153 of 304 (327831)
06-30-2006 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Adminnemooseus
06-19-2006 11:14 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
quote:
You have PAF access as AdminSchraf. Perhaps you would like to pursue this matter futher there.
Maybe It's because I'm english and we use the language in a very different matter but over here that subtle code for:
Shut the fuck up.
Is it the same in the states?

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lfen
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Message 154 of 304 (327870)
06-30-2006 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by CK
06-30-2006 4:30 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
No, we aren't so formal over here. We just type STFU. Much quicker.
lfen

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 155 of 304 (328087)
07-01-2006 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Brian
06-30-2006 4:12 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Which begs the question of why someone who has been banned more times than Frankie Goes to Hollywood was invited over a dozen times to become an admin.
Because the Administration of EvC Forum deemed that person "buyable" - hard up for power, and once he capitulated to his worldview enemies they could count on him to do their dirty work against any theist. Much like the ACLU and their use of "theists" to win cases.
Anytime Darwinists approve of a theist that proves the theist aint a real theist. I know I am putting said person in your general camp but you do not approve so there is no stain on you.
Ray

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kuresu
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Message 156 of 304 (328108)
07-01-2006 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
07-01-2006 7:14 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
what the hell?
Faith isn't a real theist? Sounds like you've swallowed one too many conspiracy pills.

All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences

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Brian
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Message 157 of 304 (328192)
07-02-2006 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
07-01-2006 7:14 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Well, it definitely looks good. A disruptive fundy member being granted admin status sure is a great weapon to present to any fundy member that complains about admin bias.
I know I am putting said person in your general camp but you do not approve so there is no stain on you.
The one thing I am is consistent.
Brian.

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CK
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Message 158 of 304 (328195)
07-02-2006 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Cold Foreign Object
07-01-2006 7:14 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Do you think? I'm going to do a bit of mindreading here - but I always thought that Percy has some sort of social program going on in the background with those rather strange decisions like making faith an admin (someone who regular calls people idiots etc). He thinks that he can "save" people with some positive reinforcement and attempts at behaviour modification.
I also suspect that they think the adminship will rein in her abusive behaviour towards others due to the "gosh faith now you are one of us, you realllly need to set a better example to the little people".
Look at the cage they have you locked in, isn't that really just an attempt to modify your behaviour by allowing you to run your own debates and then when you run out of opponents, you are suppose to go "gosh I realise that my debating technique is scaring people off - pretty pretty please can I have another attempt in the main forums".

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Brian
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Message 159 of 304 (328199)
07-02-2006 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by CK
07-02-2006 5:20 AM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
I dare say this is another reason for offering adminship once again to Faith. It is a bit like the behaviour support bases in schools, change the environment and you change the behaviour.
In my experience, the majority of kids slide back to previous disruptive behaviour after the initial novelty wears off.
Another thing at schools that gets on my goat is the rewarding of bad behaviour. For example, I have witnessed on countless occassions a disruptive pupil being given a reward for having a perfect behaviour card for one week. In my educational region the amount of money being spent on disruptive pupils is disgraceful, it is unbelievably disproportionate. A huge number of disruptive kids get taxied everywhere, I personally know one child who gets a taxi from their home to a special unit, then another taxi into a mainstream school, spends one hour there then another taxi back to unit and another one home again. This kid has been getting this service for 3 years and he is no better behaved now than he was three years ago.
Good kids do not get taxied all over the place, good kids are virtually ignored by the system.
I realise I am less tolerant than a lot of teachers (I happen to think social inclusion is ruining our schools), but I tend to think there are only so many chances a person should get before I conclude that they are taking the piss.
Brian.

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CK
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Message 160 of 304 (328202)
07-02-2006 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Brian
07-02-2006 5:45 AM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
We are totally on the same page with this Brian - let me take your comments point by point -
quote:
In my experience, the majority of kids slide back to previous disruptive behaviour after the initial novelty wears off.
Yes and it's partly to do with the fact that you cannot alter or affect the home environment. At least here in the forum, we do not have the parents turning up saying "it's not my son! he's a woooonderful poster! it must be the other ones!"
quote:
Another thing at schools that gets on my goat is the rewarding of bad behaviour. For example, I have witnessed on countless occassions a disruptive pupil being given a reward for having a perfect behaviour card for one week. In my educational region the amount of money being spent on disruptive pupils is disgraceful, it is unbelievably disproportionate. A huge number of disruptive kids get taxied everywhere, I personally know one child who gets a taxi from their home to a special unit, then another taxi into a mainstream school, spends one hour there then another taxi back to unit and another one home again. This kid has been getting this service for 3 years and he is no better behaved now than he was three years ago.
Yes it's totally bizzare - it doesn't work and all it seems to do is indicate to the child that acting out is a quick route to some attention. At the same time, all the "honest plodders" - the kids who just want to come in and get an education get left to their own devices because you are so busy dealing with the same 5%. As for the very bright children, well they carry on in silence and hope nobody notices.
quote:
I realise I am less tolerant than a lot of teachers (I happen to think social inclusion is ruining our schools), but I tend to think there are only so many chances a person should get before I conclude that they are taking the piss.
I'd bring back the borstal or special ed schools for about 5% of the current school population. The result and standards in the other schools would go through the roof.
What about their rights and education? fuck that - what about the other 95%?
(and I've got to honest - this is one of those subjects that unless someone has done the job, I couldn't give a toss about their "viewpoint").
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Brian
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Message 161 of 304 (328206)
07-02-2006 6:15 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by CK
07-02-2006 6:02 AM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Yes and it's partly to do with the fact that you cannot alter or affect the home environment. At least here in the forum, we do not have the parents turning up saying "it's not my son! he's a woooonderful poster! it must be the other ones!"
And the classic parental retort "the teacher just doesn't like my Tommy"!
I'd bring back the borstal or special ed schools for about 5% of the current school population. The result and standards in the other schools would go through the roof.
I agree 100%.
Some kids are acheiving very high standards but they would be far higher if the 5% were removed. The police and local councils want us to keep the 5% in school and babysit them becuase if they are excluded they cause mayhem in the town centre.
What about their rights and education? fuck that - what about the other 95%?
Exactly.
The 5% should be given a chance, these are the school rules, this is how you are expected to behave, are you willing to comply, if not then fuck off and stay at home with your parasite chav parents.
There goes any chance I had of promotion!
Brian.

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Message 162 of 304 (328209)
07-02-2006 7:03 AM


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This topic was started for short questions. For better or worse, the question has been answered.
Ways to handle disruptive posters, pupils and so on and so forth are clogging up this thread. It is an interesting read, and I think it'd make an interesting Coffee House meta-thread. Please desist, any further off-topic threads will be rendered invisible and short suspensions may follow afterwards.
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Message 163 of 304 (328569)
07-03-2006 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by CK
07-02-2006 5:20 AM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
Do you think? I'm going to do a bit of mindreading here - but I always thought that Percy has some sort of social program going on in the background with those rather strange decisions like making faith an admin (someone who regular calls people idiots etc). He thinks that he can "save" people with some positive reinforcement and attempts at behaviour modification.
You are making many errors.
No one is talking about EvC member Faith. The Fundy at issue was Buzsaw. Your next error: Percy is under no delusions about "saving" persons or modifying their behavior - in the Bible it is hard for God Himself to modify the behavior of anyone. EvC Forum stands alone as far as tolerating other views apart from the Darwinian worldview. Percy RARELY erases any message and gives Creationists an arena to make their case unimpeded, unlike every other Darwinian controlled debate board which are wholly Talibanic (I know I am serving lifetime banishment from most of them). Creationist controlled boards are even worse in their renditions of Talibanism. I have been banned for typing the word "hell" and "damn" in a message.
I also suspect that they think the adminship will rein in her abusive behaviour towards others due to the "gosh faith now you are one of us, you realllly need to set a better example to the little people".
Replace Faith with Buzsaw and then your statement is correct.
Look at the cage they have you locked in, isn't that really just an attempt to modify your behaviour by allowing you to run your own debates and then when you run out of opponents, you are suppose to go "gosh I realise that my debating technique is scaring people off - pretty pretty please can I have another attempt in the main forums".
No - that is not the intent of Showcase. Read the description under the Showcase heading on the main board list.
Showcase Forum is for persons with "unusual" views. That would be, in this case, certain Creationists and renegade evolutionist John Davison who is insisting on resurrecting teleology back into Evolutionary Theory.
There is no insult since, synonymously, Showcase is saying Darwinists disapprove of a Creationist. What is unusual about my Creationist views (nothing) ? Davison's views are unusual. Since Darwinists believe apes morphed into men it is a compliment - their approval would have validated our (my) wrongness.
Ray
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Message 164 of 304 (328695)
07-03-2006 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Cold Foreign Object
07-03-2006 1:56 PM


Re: Brian Suspension - A special situation
No one is talking about EvC member Faith.
I think you're the one who's got it wrong Ray.
If you track the list of linked messages that end with the one I'm replying to it goes:
Message 152 by Brian
Message 155 by Herepton
Message 158 by CK
Message 163 by Herepton
If you follow the link in Brian's initial message it is to the Please Welcome AdminFaith announcement.
In addition in Brian's Message 159, which is a reply to CK's message he says:
I dare say this is another reason for offering adminship once again to Faith.
It was all about Faith as far as I can tell.
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Message 165 of 304 (328711)
07-04-2006 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Brian
07-02-2006 6:15 AM


A special situation
My ears perked up when I heard you discussing troubled teenagers!
I talk to them all the time....I have a mission in life to be able to attempt to reach them before they turn into Columbine killers!
As a teacher, you know better than anyone how long some kids need hope.
BTW...meet me in chat if you get this message. (Tuesday 737 a.m. Denver time) is is tea time in Scotland, yet?
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