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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Honour is an ideal I would love to reach, I think the only thing we can do is aspire to it.
Blimey, am I sounding like Iano here?
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Randman writes: and has broadened my understanding of the Theory of Evolution, exposing many more holes in it than I realized before. You know? I think we need more people like you to poke the arse of current theory. I don't hold with many of your positions but due to you I have been pushed to question mine.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Chiroptera writes: So, my participation on this board (as well as reading other peoples' posts -- I don't want to dis other people!) has really increased my understanding of the main topic. This is my finding exactly; my base motives have not changed but the divergent views (on this site) have made me do the the work to justify my own. Edited by Larni, : Finally get the quote right....god I'm a bit meery now.....
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Honour is an ideal I would love to reach, I think the only thing we can do is aspire to it. Blimey, am I sounding like Iano here? I suppose you could draw a parallel between sinlessness and honour. But I don't aspire to it. I await it. Patiently/impatiently, depending on my sin quotient at any given moment
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I apprehended that honour was an ideal. Never attained but always aimed for. As a kid I was caught up in 'honour'. I felt that (being secular) I needed a basis of 'Law' to guide my actions (at the time I did not realise 'I' had the capacity to define such 'Laws'.
I would say that the concept of 'Honour' (or infact any moral code} is invaluable to a youngster to give him/her a basis for social living. But like the 'stabalizers' we have when we learn to ride a bike, we need them no more when we become an (emotional/moral ) adult.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
You know, believing that one is right is also the thing that I have learnt fro EvC not do:
To be sure, I would argue that the secular side has the evidence and in the domain of a secular forum I would argue that the non-secluarist are at a massive dissadvantage, but you are bang on when you say that
There is nobody as dangerous as the person who isn't willing to admit they may be wrong. I interet the evidence to conclude that there is no supernatuaral ruler. But with new evidence I may revise my conclusions. I do this honestly (even though a creator would stick in my craw).
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Obedience is that which is sought after. To obey what he says. In so far as acting honourably arises out of that then acting honourably is sought after. But such honour will not always be seen as such by people with there own ideas as to what constitutes honour.
I would say that the concept of 'Honour' (or infact any moral code} is invaluable to a youngster to give him/her a basis for social living Is this another way of saying that in order to live socially a kid must be thought how to live socially (which includes adapting the honour system that make such possible)? If the cloth fits...?
But like the 'stabalizers' we have when we learn to ride a bike, we need them no more when we become an (emotional/moral ) adult. Because we move on to other things - like not living socially - but, for instance, joining the rat race where dog eats dog. The stabilizers would act to prevent this so they get dumped in order that we can so live. The latter as subjective and 'valid' as the former I think
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I do this honestly (even though a creator would stick in my craw). Argument from ignorance (no offence) He doesn't stick in the craw at all in fact. He's great. Like really tops.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Fair comment.
I can't stand the idea of a boss god....this is what grinds my gears.....if you a have few minutes we could meet in chat.... it is 02:24 now..... if you are ther in a few mins I will debate with you there.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I have noticed this transformation in your attitude. I found the transformation rather interesting, and it impresses me that you are able to verbalise it so nicely.
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4899 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Larni, that was a kind comment.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Larni writes: I can't stand the idea of a boss god....this is what grinds my gears..... Well what other types of God concepts do we have? Do you want a non-interfering God? Do you envision a co-op of sorts, where we all become members of a pantheon? Maybe you just have bad experiences with controlling figures. Would a nice Boss be acceptable?
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
I wouldn't say EvC has changed my beliefs, but it has changed the depth of my knowledge in a lot of things.
When I first started lurking here I really didn't grasp how strong the case for common descent really is. I thought it was mostly a question of fossil evidence (which I thought was convincing of course)... but I came to understand that there are lines of evidence derived from a wide array of different (and often independent) scientific disciplines, and put quite simply I went from thinking the evidence is pretty strong to thinking it's pretty much undeniable. post is from Maxwells_demon Edited by AdminJar, : add note about who posted
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You know, believing that one is right is also the thing that I have learnt fro EvC not do: That seems strange to me. If I did not think I was right, I would change my mind and think some other way. Everyone thinks they are right. "Your friends, if they can, may bury you with some distinction, and set up a monument, to let posterity see that your dust lies under such a stone; and when that is done, all is done. Your place is filled up by another, the world is just in the same state it was, you are blotted out of its sight, and as much forgotten by the world as if you had never belonged to it."--William Law
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Everyone thinks they are right. Don't you think there are different tenacities of belief both inter and intra personally? And aren't we often working on probabilities? I think I irritated my elbow by resting it on the arm of my computer chair, but I also thinks it's possible it started by something else I don't remember like bumping it in my sleep. I'm pretty sure, certainly the chair arms irritate enough now, that I removed them. So I think I'm right about what I say but I allow for possibilities as often enough in my life new data has come to light and I have changed my mind. So "right" is a value subject to change. What amazes me is the tenacity with which fundamentalist hold to their interpretations of ambiguous, obscure, or coflicting Bible passages. Two literalist fundamentalist will disagree over whether Jesus is or isn't God for example with great tenacity as if they could know? When we don't even know if Jesus existed or what his life was like. I think that degree of rightness, and it seems fundamentally important to them is something I'm still struggling to understand and is a major motivation for the time I spend here. The only idea I have is that fundamentalist have to be right because they for reasons I can't yet see have less faith in their place in the universe. I say that because it occurs to me that I do have a feeling that could be called faith that I am a product of the universe and belong and that, hmmm, hard to find words for it, just that in ways I don't understand I fit, and it occurs to me that this is a statement of some sort of fundamental faith. But I'm not sure if I'm RIGHT about this or not. lfen
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