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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6353 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
Let me just ask: If you were as absolutely convinced of the truth of the Bible account of the flood as a fundamentalist is, absolutely without a doubt knowing that it happened as described, knowing that God is the inspirer of the whole thing, how would you go about answering science's contention that it didn't happen? This is difficult for me to answer as I've never had that sort of blind belief in anything, but I'll give it a try. I think my approach would be to concede that in terms of the evidence that can be examined by science it appears there never was a flood. This means there has to be a reason for this - God is fooling us for some reason or Satan planted the evidence[1] or something else entirely that just hasn't been revealed to us yet. To those who argue that the first option turns the Christian God into Loki The Deceiver I would say it is arrogant of us to presume to know or judge God's motives or methods. I know this donesn't apply to you personally but I think the reason such a view point would never gain widespread support amongst the Biblical literalists (especially in the US) is it would torpedo their plan to get Christianity into the American school system using Creationism/ID as a Trojan Horse. [1]Within the last ten years a guy where I work went from being not at all religious to being a born-again fundy. He firmly believes that dinosaur fossils are planted by Satan to mislead us, so I know this viewpoint exists albeit in a slightly different context. Oops! Wrong Planet
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes:
I would think it sufficient to answer with "God works in mysterious ways." If you were as absolutely convinced of the truth of the Bible account of the flood as a fundamentalist is, absolutely without a doubt knowing that it happened as described, knowing that God is the inspirer of the whole thing, how would you go about answering science's contention that it didn't happen? or "Maybe the Bible isn't in conflict with science. God works in mysterious ways."
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ptman Inactive Member |
quote:I think I would have to answer it as Kurt Wise does, that in spite of the evidence against and complete lack of evidence for my position, I believe it because I take it on faith that the Bible is correct. It is at least an honest answer.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I think I would have to answer it as Kurt Wise does, that in spite of the evidence against and complete lack of evidence for my position, I believe it because I take it on faith that the Bible is correct. It is at least an honest answer. That's the only answer so far given that I can agree with wholeheartedly. But I do think there are some scientific points that can be made myself, so one tries to make them.
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CK Member (Idle past 4127 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: It is an honest answer and nobody has a problem with that. However in those forums (the science ones) it counts for nothing. Otherwise Atheists like me could just argue that it's untrue because "the bible is very far-fetched". Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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deerbreh Member (Idle past 2892 days) Posts: 882 Joined: |
But I do think there are some scientific points that can be made myself,.... But it should give you pause that everyone on this board who has had extensive scientific training disagrees that you have managed to make any scientific points in defense of the YEC position. Edited by deerbreh, : Fix quote codes
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But it should give you pause that everyone on this board who has had extensive scientific training disagrees that you have managed to make any scientific points in defense of the YEC position. When you make some points you KNOW are decent points and they get treated like dirt it makes you less than trusting of the opposition's fairmindedness. I can only assume a sort of work-conditioned blindness since I don't impute evil motives to them. I don't have in mind only points I personally make, though, but the whole creationist enterprise is treated like dirt, everything they have to say is ridiculed, lengths gone to it seems to me to invent discrediting language against them, and to impute evil motives to them.
Sorry, this getting off topic is becoming too frequent
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AdminFaith Inactive Member |
OK, I will try out my Admin alterego in order to give myself and any others here a warning that
THE TOPIC HERE IS HOW THE ANIMALS WERE FED ON THE ARK, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS OFF TOPIC. PUHLEEZE SHAPE UP, FAITH, AND EVERYBODY ELSE YOU'VE DRAWN OFF TOPIC. Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So how come nobody has ever built a scale replica and tried to launch it to see if it would be seaworthy? Sure, it would be expensive, but I'll bet that if a few of these rich preachers like Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson puitched in they could easily finance it, especially when they call upon their faithful to contibute.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein. There is a thread available concerning the Ark itself. The Ark - materials, construction and seaworthness AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic Warning
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Horses need to eat grass or hay almost constantly or their guts don't work properly. Also, they need to move about almost constantly for the same reason. Anyway, are you going to address the OP or not?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The horses that existed in the middle east at that time were not very big; large ponies, really. No larger than around 700 pounds I'd imagine. Lots of animals are larger than that.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What I want to know is how Noah got ahold of that much hay, anyway? Or even half that much. Didn't he live pretty much in a desert?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Of course, all of the soil on the earth will be saturated in salt because the seas mixed with the fresh water. This makes the soil inhospitable to many plants until the salt levels go down. It looks to me like all of the weakened, starved herbivores would have been gobbled up by the weakened, starved carnivores since there wouldn't have been anything for them to eat, either.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: God made it happen, even though it doesn't look like it. Miracles.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Welcome to the rigors of scientific debate. This is what it's like, faith. Academic scientists are this brutal to each other's (and their own) ideas all of the time. It's part and parcel of their job. What you characterize as "treating like dirt" is really just normal vigorous dissection of the facts and logic of a claim. It seems that you get bent out of shape that people don't simply agree with you because you say so.
quote: No need to invent any.
quote: Pot, kettle, black. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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