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EZscience
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Message 136 of 302 (323604)
06-19-2006 10:02 PM


Shwocase the scientists - not the dogmatists
I think I kind of understand the original concept of the Showcase forum as a effort to lure creationists to expound upon their opinions, seeing as they are so sorely bullied and battered in the science forums, but this whole concept seems flawed. You are allowing them to admit and dismiss their opponents at will and chant their little meaningless mantras with impunity, without holding them responsible to answer any logical challenges. Its crap. If you want to have a decent Showcase forum, lets orient it around one or more of the real scientists. They are the ones deserving of such priviliges - not the dogmatic myth-believers who won't address intelligent challenges to their blind belief structure.
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kuresu
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Message 137 of 302 (323606)
06-19-2006 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by EZscience
06-19-2006 10:02 PM


Re: Shwocase the scientists - not the dogmatists
hear hear, I second that motion. Not that I've any power on this board, it is, after all, not a democracy in the true sense (but, I do get to vote in the next elections--yay!)


All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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arachnophilia
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Message 138 of 302 (323607)
06-19-2006 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by EZscience
06-19-2006 10:02 PM


Re: Shwocase the scientists - not the dogmatists
clearly, the battlefield of logic and reason is not on even ground.
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EZscience
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Message 139 of 302 (323612)
06-19-2006 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by arachnophilia
06-19-2006 10:06 PM


Re: Shwocase the scientists - not the dogmatists
In the USA, it is currently fought on quicksand. :)
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kuresu
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Message 140 of 302 (323614)
06-19-2006 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by arachnophilia
06-19-2006 10:06 PM


Re: Shwocase the scientists - not the dogmatists
especially when they claim that there "theories" are not to be held to the same rules as our theories. That's a major problem. It's not that I can't take the heat, but when they handwaive and evade, and then accuse us of doing it . . . ergh. Of course, this might need a new topic, seeing as how it's supposed to be solely for requests to debate, and we've already gotten into trouble for debating on this thread (and I'm quite guilty of this:o


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Message 141 of 302 (323866)
06-20-2006 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by EZscience
06-19-2006 10:02 PM


Re: Shwocase the scientists - not the dogmatists
EZscience writes:

You are allowing them to admit and dismiss their opponents at will and chant their little meaningless mantras with impunity, without holding them responsible to answer any logical challenges.

Those showcased have proven immune to moderation and incapable of rational discussion. Despite this, many people would like to debate them, and Showcase makes this possible.

The purpose of Showcase is definitely not to provide a venue where constructive discussion with the residents can take place. Those showcased are there because of their demonstrated inability to do so.

If you want to have a decent Showcase forum, lets orient it around one or more of the real scientists.

If you mean one of the scientists already here, they already have full privileges. They can participate wherever they like, and they can propose threads that showcase their views in any of the forums.

If you mean name scientists, we can certainly create a new forum and host any that are willing to participate here.


--Percy
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Sandor Szabados
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Message 142 of 302 (326933)
06-27-2006 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Admin
05-29-2006 9:10 PM


Request for participation
Dear Sir,

I request permission to participate in the Creationist Theory topic. I have an M.A. in History of Science, a website on the convergence of science and religion (www.scientific-religious.com)and can make a unique contribution to the discussion. I have been shadowing Showcase as Sandor606 and have posted on ISCID.

I would like to participate as Sandor Szabados, not Sandor606. How can I make the change?

Sincerely,

Sandor Szabados


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Message 143 of 302 (326937)
06-27-2006 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Sandor Szabados
06-27-2006 7:48 PM


Re: Request for participation
I'm going to provide you access to the Showcase forum in order to participate in the Creationist theory thread, but since you haven't actually participated at EvC Forum as of yet, let me refer you to Message 4. Please give this a read before posting. Also, members given access to Showcase are expected to follow the Forum Guidelines, whether those showcased do or not.

If you go to your profile page you can create a new user name (we call them aliases).


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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derwood
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Message 144 of 302 (328495)
07-03-2006 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Admin
05-30-2006 11:56 AM


Re: A request for participation
What was the thinking process, I have to wonder, behind inviting Salty back to 'discuss' what had already been discussed here ad nauseum?

After, maybe 2 or 3 posts, Davison was back to his old antics. Did anyone really expect anything different?


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pink sasquatch
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Message 145 of 302 (329055)
07-05-2006 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
05-28-2006 10:32 AM


PEH Showcase access
Hi Percy-

Though the PEH thread is quickly approaching its message limit, I wouldn't mind having access to ask JAD some questions, (hopefully with constructive results). If you want to wait to see if a PEH pt.2 thread is spawned, I understand.

-Thanks


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Admin
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Message 146 of 302 (329222)
07-06-2006 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by pink sasquatch
07-05-2006 6:29 PM


Re: PEH Showcase access
Access granted.


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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sidelined
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Message 147 of 302 (329918)
07-08-2006 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Admin
07-06-2006 4:59 AM


Re: PEH Showcase access
Admin

Is it possible to reopen a new PEH thread and invite John talk with me about it? I tried early on but was lost among the others applying.


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CK
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Joined: 07-04-2004


Message 148 of 302 (330472)
07-10-2006 3:07 PM


Big Brother Showcase house
Am I the only one still reading the showcase?

Is it just me who thinks it's awfully like Big Brother? You start off with many members and end up with just a few who all turn on each other in a frenzy of abuse.


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Dan Carroll
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Message 149 of 302 (330479)
07-10-2006 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by CK
07-10-2006 3:07 PM


Re: Big Brother Showcase house
I'm still reading it. It's high-frikkin'-larious.


"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird
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Omnivorous
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Message 150 of 302 (330481)
07-10-2006 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by CK
07-10-2006 3:07 PM


Re: Big Brother Showcase house
No, I'm still reading every word, CK. :eek:

It reminds me of the old saying about being careful what you wish for...


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