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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
By the way, C.S. Lewis was a theistic evolutionist. Yes, that is the impression I got from his writing as well. Just goes to show that scientific beliefs are really irrelevant to faith in Christ. As I have said before, I was a theistic evolutionist myself at one time. It is helpful to see that Genesis is true, but it is not a prerequisite to salvation. All that is needed is to see that we are sinners in need of a savior, and the belief that Jesus really was God's son. That He died for our sins, and rose on the third day. If one can believe those things, by way of conviction by the Holy Spirit, then one can repent without need of the full understanding of where science and it's definition begins and ends...
As so often happens, you are way off topic. In your opinion nwr... in your opinion... Like many in this forum, you would have me talk only about water in spite of the earth and skies. I will not comply, but also do my best to explain why. With God's grace, you will come to see, in spite of my failings...
OFF TOPIC,Rob. Take it back to whether creationism and ID are science or not. Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given. Any biters in the stream?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Tell me.
If someone is trying to lead you to the 'truth'... and you find that the y continually lie, distort things, make asserstions you know are wrong, and refuse to listen to what you have to say, would you accept anything they say as 'truth'?
OFF TOPIC. PLEASE RETURN TO TOPIC. Edited by AdminFaith, : No reason given.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Tell me. If someone is trying to lead you to the 'truth'... and you find that they continually lie, distort things, make assertions you know are wrong, and refuse to listen to what you have to say, would you accept anything they say as 'truth'? Sounds a little dramatized to me Ramoss, but certainly the answer is no! That is why the words of Jesus are so profound. I find no fault in Him and neither do you... It is nice to see you moralizing with such vigor. You are closer to the truth than you realize by invoking such a true standard as honesty. How about you Ramoss?How convoluted and deep can a lie be? How legalistic and evasive can a liar be? How genuinely deceptive for the defense of his prize? How can he, a mere man, turn reality on it's head, morphing truth into sophistry, and sophistry into truth? How cunning, how breeding of death are his heart's intentions? How does he crucify the truth without end or pause? Do you know the human heart Ramoss?Do you exclude yourself from the fray? Are you above it all on you pedestal? Are you a God? Yes Ramoss. Hang me and twist my words. Cover my intentions. Bury me in the sands of confusion. Remove my good name. Distort character and turn conviction to accusation. Perhaps if I were perfect, you would listen to my words... No! You would nail me to a tree, and call me a blasphemer! What is science Ramoss? The observer is given tremendous power to define truth.What he does with that power will show who he really is. Will he keep it as his own or give it back to it's rightful owner? As God said to Adam, where are you Ramoss? What will you do with your power? Certainly you would not crucify a mere mortal such as me to justify yourself? No, not you...
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MUTTY6969 Member (Idle past 6218 days) Posts: 65 From: ARIZONA Joined: |
Typical hand waving . never really answering the question, just random philosophical Nonsense.
Hard to see your logic when one does not give the same weight to the book you so often quote.
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Discreet Label Member (Idle past 5091 days) Posts: 272 Joined: |
It is helpful to see that Genesis is true, but it is not a prerequisite to salvation. All that is needed is to see that we are sinners in need of a savior, and the belief that Jesus really was God's son. That He died for our sins, and rose on the third day. And I am not religious! Religion is mans attempt to be good. If Christianity is not true... then I have no interest in it. But it is true because it is not mans attempt to be good, it is man's admission that he is not good, and a realization that 'good' = 'God'. So considering these quotes from your recent previous posts, how does ID and creationism play into science? For as the last several of your posts have domonstated (95-109) there seems to be no actual discussion as to how ID is integral to science, there seems to be a more of a discussion in what scientists, whom you have never met, seem to believe.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5876 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Do you know how to diagram a sentance? As the goat reverend said at the end of his message: http://EvC Forum: Induction and Science -->EvC Forum: Induction and Science
it seems harder for you to understand that people don't want to hear If the mind is closed, then the light goes out... Edited by AdminJar, : off topic pointless post hidden
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Rob you will have to pay attention to the topic. You were warned a number of times and suspended already.
This one is 6 hours.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
Everything that is said about Faith applies equally to Evolution. If creation is based on religion, evolution is also based on the religion of Atheism. In fact, it takes more faith to believe in Evolution than to believe in Creation.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
Everything that is said about Faith applies equally to Evolution. If creation is based on religion, evolution is also based on the religion of Atheism. In fact, it takes more faith to believe in Evolution than to believe in Creation.
wow, inkorrekt, not this old chessnut again!sorry but evolution is based on objective evidence, sorry but there is no faith involved (unless you like to say everything takes faith in that case, sports works too) oh yes by the way go tell all those scientists that thier belief in god is really atheism! i mean come on go read about science for once, they have a poll that says at least 40% of all scientists are thiests!
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
The number of those Scientists who believe in Intelligent Design is growing. You may not like this. But, this is the fact.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Please demonstrate this fact.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
And the source of this information is?
Is that true with the fact that the Dover trial has shown, legally, that "Intelligent Design" is not science ?
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6109 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
I will get some statistics for you.
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MUTTY6969 Member (Idle past 6218 days) Posts: 65 From: ARIZONA Joined: |
Got those statistics yet? I found one of many sites that show just the opposite. The so called ID movement seems to have solidified the science community and their basic tenants is that ID is not science. You can visit any number of these sites and they all say the same thing...but no where did I see a large or growing list of actual scientist who supports ID.
You wanna be, uhh, blunt about what has taken place, sometimes when you don't measure, you just shuffle kids through. Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiter -- literacy level of our children are appalling. -- It sure are, Mr. Bush, it sure are... not to mention adults, Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Some useful articles and links:
On whether "evolution is an atheist theory" On whether "evolution is losing support among scientists"
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