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Author Topic:   Does The Flood Add up?
MangyTiger
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Message 148 of 298 (326278)
06-26-2006 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by ringo
06-26-2006 1:27 AM


Or did the climate migrate with them?
ROTFLMAO

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Message 149 of 298 (326283)
06-26-2006 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by nator
06-25-2006 9:42 PM


What's the density of hay (or how big/heavy is a bale)?
Do you have any idea much hay and fresh water would need to be stored aboard the ark just to sustain one horse?
That set me thinking - what would be the volume of a year's supply of feed (presumably hay or something similar) for two horses? I don't how much horses eat per day or what the density of stored hay but maybe you can supply the figures.
What I was really wondering about was the elephants, who I was able to find out require a minimum of 300 pounds of feed a day each. So 600 pounds a day for around 365 days gives us the total weight of feed that had to be stored on the Ark for the two elephants. If we assume their feed will be of a similar density to horse feed we will be able to work out how much storage space was needed.
I suspect if you add up the storage requirements for the feed for the large herbivores (there's still rhinos and hippos etc. to consider) there will turn out to be no space left for the animals...

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Message 181 of 298 (326608)
06-26-2006 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by CK
06-26-2006 8:07 AM


Re: OK, here are some figures
Elephants need 300 pounds of food each per day (minimum).
It's harder to get a figure for water consumption - estimates seem to be in the 180 to 230 litres per day range (40 to 51 UK gallons or 48 to 61 US gallons). We'll go for the minimum of 48 US gallons.
So for two elephants we have:
2*300*365 = 219000 pounds of food.
2*48*365 = 35040 gallons of drinking water

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MangyTiger
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Message 281 of 298 (328702)
07-03-2006 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Faith
07-03-2006 5:05 AM


Re: A small point
By creationist assumptions there was far greater genetic richness the farther back you go. Many repeated splittings and migrations, all processes of selection and migration and reproductive isolation and so on, reduce this richness a great deal over many incidents of same, and that is what makes in-breeding a problem.
So if I'm understanding this correctly the DNA of people (and animals and plants?) was "richer" at the time of the flood and has become denuded over time to the present day state. Is this correct?
I have a couple of questions:
  • How was this greater richness manifested in the flood-era DNA? Were there less non-coding (so called "junk DNA") areas in the genome or are you talking about something else?
  • How linear is this decline of richness between the flood and now? Has it been a steady downwards progression or was there a more rapid period of decline which "bottomed out" at the current level sometime between the flood and now? If the latter how many years ago did this bottoming out happen?

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MangyTiger
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Message 283 of 298 (328787)
07-04-2006 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
07-03-2006 2:11 PM


A Genealogy can easily be invented
It boasts an awfully detailed and specific genealogy for a "myth" but whatever.
About as detailed and specific as those Tolkien provides in The Silmarillion and Lord Of The Rings - and those are works of fiction, not even historic or cultural myths.
Just shows how easy it is to come up with a genealogy if you want to.

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MangyTiger
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Message 284 of 298 (328791)
07-04-2006 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by CK
07-03-2006 2:32 PM


Re: Have I left anything out
I think you've left something out - but it is kind of subtle.
Then all the animals got off the ark and we had hyper-evolution for the next 4000 years to leave us with the wildlife we see today.
Since Noah built the ark and the shit pump 4,500 years ago this 4000 year period of warp-speed evolution continued until 1500AD or so - maybe even more recent than that.
As far as I am aware there is no record anywhere - either written or in an oral tradition - that suggests anybody saw new creatures magically appearing, particularly by direct birth from a (different) known type of creature.
Sure there are plenty of accounts of new creatures being seen, but only when people go to a new place (i.e. the European voyages of discovery and conquest from the 15th. Century onwards) which is where you'd expect to find 'new' animals. Of course, they weren't new, they were just previously unknown - the locals knew all about them.
I guess the hyper-evolving critters were just shy and hid away from humans, which is why it wasn't recorded by the Jews, Greeks, Romans, Phonecians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Chritians or Muslims. Oh, not forgetting the Chinese, Japanese, the whole of S.E. Asia, Indians, Native Americans, Australian Aborogines, Polynesesians, the Inuit and well, everybody really

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