Does The Flood Add up?

The story isn't impossible, it's imaginable. But all of the evidence falsifies a world-wide flood at any time during the last 600,000 years at the very least. Immaterial. We have no evidence that either of those incidents did not happen. We do have evidence that the flood didn't. And there is the heart of why so many Christians don't understand Christianity. Only a Bling-Bling Pimp Daddy of a god would want to reward the faithful.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You brought up two specific incidents, turning water into wine and rising from the dead.Yes, by all scientific knowledge today we can say that we know no way that either could happen.BUT.. we have no proof that neither happened.The Flood is entirely different. It's like Young Earth, the Conquest of Canaan, The Exodus, Joshua at Jerico. In each of those there is POSITIVE and overwhelming evidence that they did NOT happen.There is always the possibility that the two incidents happened, that there is some explanation we do not yet understand. But the Flood, nope. It simply didn't happen and the only way one can assert that it did is by wilfully ignoring all of the evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You have provided no evidence.This message has been edited by jar, 03-29-2006 08:10 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You are probably talking about the Mayan "Long" calendar which was only one of the calendars that the Mayans used. Even there there are several different dates that point to the date of origin, and 3114 is only one of the possible calculations.But regardless of mythology, of customs, of calendars, all of the evidence shows that there was no world-wide flood, at least in the last 600,000 years or so. the Maya were not the first modern humans to arrive on this continent, or even the oldest civilization on this continent.Recent finding have pushed the arrival of modern man way back, not just to 6000-10,000 years, but to 15-30,000 years ago. Recent evidence coming from the Topper site and others may well push that figure back even further, perhaps as far as 50,000 years ago.The initial radiocarbon dating confirmation of material from the deepest Topper site with artifacts so far has been right at the limits for radiocarbon dating. The importance of this is that it gives a minimum age, the layer might even be earlier.The jury is still out on the Topper site data, it will have to await further studies. It will also depend on whether any of the other sites such as Pedra Furada in Brazil (dated back to about 40-50,000 years ago) and other sites ranging up and down the east coast of the US to Chile and Peru and the American North West continue to be supported by the evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I always wondered who went ahead of the koalas planting eucalyptus trees for them, only to take them up after the koala herd went by.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No. The Bible describes many Bird Kinds. For Example there is the Raven Kind and the Dove Kind and teh Bat Kind, lots of Bird Kinds.Magic Mythical Biggies-sized Flood happened, there should be a very simple test. We should be able to look at the genetics of all of the Raven Kind and all of the Dove Kind and all of the Bat Kind of Bird Kind and find that all show a common ancestor at about 4500 years ago.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually there are several indications of quite a few major floods in the areas between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, the likely origin of the Biblical Flood myth. In one case I remember they found a single layer of mud greater than ten feet thick and extending over a range hundreds of miles on a side. Such a major flooding would have certainly become the source of legend.Interestingly, at the same time as the Biblical Flood, the only floods being recorded in Egypt were the annual life giving flood. The Pyramids were standing at the time, civilizations thriving and there is no mention of flood as catastrophy except when delayed.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't think there is much doubt that the origin of teh Biblical Flood Myth lies in the histroy of the two rivers. But I also don't put as much store in Paul Tobin as a rock hard source as I would in some good physical evidence. A lot of his stuff shows all the same characteristics we see from Buz and Faith etal when they are claiming Allah = Moon Goddess.The key for me is that there were very old civilizations on the plains between the two rivers. There are mountains, and a long history of pretty major floods. Whether the Biblical tale is one of many, an adaptation of some earlier tale or an independant creation may never be known. But there is certainly evidence that flooding was a problem there which would have been seen quite differently than by say, the Egyptians.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

To fix the formatting. You used [u] in one of your posts, it was quoted later. [u] does not work, so it left unbalanced codes meant that Scraf's quote didn't work.We just try to clean up after folk.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Not really. The Ark and the whole flood myth were pretty much full of it. Piles and piles of it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Maybe in your beliefs but this is the Science side. This is another of those misconceptions you love to bring up. Certainly NOTHING, including the existence of GOD can be known for sure, but we can know about the past with a very high degree of certainty. The Continents did not move without leaving records, and those records are there for all to read. Some of the evidence is:

• the conformities found on continents seperated by oceans.
• similar fossils found in coastal areas on different continents.
• the magnetic bands spreading out from the sea floor.
• remnants of earlier collisions such as the eastern US mountain ranges.
• continuing examples that can be observed today such as the African Rift Valley.

No Faith, we can know what happened in the past.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay Faith, you have said that the conventional explanation for the arrangement of fossils is idiotic. Now is your MOMENT.Please provide us with the Flood Model that explains Fossil Sorting. Shall I take it to a new thread for you? Would the title "Faith explains Fossil Sorting" be acceptable to you?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay, so you do not want to explain fossil sorting. Kinda expected that would be your position.Now you say that the geological layering cannot equal eras. Would you like to have a thread where you can explain the model for building the structure we see in the Grand Canyon?It could be called "Faith explains the layers in the Grand Canyon" if that is acceptable to you.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So you do not want to explain fossil sorting, here is another idea.How about you present the model for plate tectonics? We can start a thread called "Faith presents the model for Continental Drift and Plate Tectonics."Whould you like that?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion