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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
NPR does an essay series in which they invide various people to expound upon the phrase "This I believe".
Penn Gilette's was entitled "I Believe There Is No God" You may read and/or listen here. Enjoy. It's good. Edited by schrafinator, : fixed caps
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Why would we have to have some god(s) hand us down a bunch of rules and threatening us to get us to behave? The answer is we don't! That is not the answer, since you are part of an evolution of intelligence that brought about atheism, and it started with believing in gods. It is human nature to believe in something more than what is.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Fine, I agree that it is human nature to believe in god(s), I just don't see that as evidence for god(s) and definitely not the Judeo (sp?) Christian gods.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
but I find it difficult to believe that all of us could have such incredibly poor reading comprehension. It's not all of us, only a select few, who's ideals seem to coinside with each other.
but when we kick the crap out of your arguments, You are not "kicking that crap" out of anything other than your own misunderstanding. You know for a fact, if I am wrong, I admit it, something I have never seen you do.
I think you are using the "I've been misunderstood" thing as a ruse to not have to address our rebuttals, since you have been known to be as slippery as a greased weasle under a sprinkler. I am honored by that statement, really I am.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I just don't see that as evidence for god(s) and definitely not the Judeo (sp?) Christian gods. The desire to know God, is not from God?At one time, I might have agreed with you, but now I see differently. There is a lot of power in the fact that we as humans desire to know if there is a God or not.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Just to interject another line of thought into this debate.
It seems to me that not long ago many people just attended church because people just attended church. It was the thing to do, and although there were many people who knew what they believed and why, there were also many who didn't give whatever faith they had a lot of consideration. Atheism has forced Christians, and those who are considering Christianity, to determine just what it is they do believe. In western society people in general do not go to church because it is the socially correct thing to do. This I believe is very positive for the Christian church and to a lesser degree other faiths as well. Atheism became a force at the time of the French revolution in response a corrupt political regime put in place by the church in France. Any time the church actually gains political power there will be those who become active in the church not because of their faith but because it is the path to power. Atheism has, as a result, been largely responsible for seeing that the church does not gain political control which helps keep the church on track by keeping those seeking political power in government out. As I said, I believe that Atheism had a cleansing affect on the Christian church and has been a positive for our society. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I agree. Too bad the church lost its clear mission for so long to keep unbelievers out by accepting only those whose profession of faith has credibility according to the scriptures.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Robinrohan is right, atheism often leads to sentimental tripe in the place of Purpose.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
As I said, I believe that Atheism had a cleansing affect on the Christian church and has been a positive for our society. Amen.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
No, it is social conditioning with a bit of an idiosycracy of brain function.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
And what is the "PURPOSE" that christianity gives?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
but I find it difficult to believe that all of us could have such incredibly poor reading comprehension. quote: Er, no. Lots of members here don't even bother responding to you anymore rat.
but when we kick the crap out of your arguments, quote: Like I said. You write in simple declarative sentences. There is not much to misinterpret or misunderstand. If we get it wrong, it's because you were unclear. If we continue to get it wrong, it's because you continue to be unclear. However, I don't think this is the case. I think you mean exactly and precisely what you write. I don't think we misunderstand you in the least. But when we demolish your argument, you slide behind being "misunderstood".
quote: I do it all the time. You do it far less than you think you do.
I think you are using the "I've been misunderstood" thing as a ruse to not have to address our rebuttals, since you have been known to be as slippery as a greased weasle under a sprinkler. quote: You shouldn't be. I just called you a dishonest debater.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Penn Gilette seems intelligent, happy, compassionate, and loving. If you think that this is "sentimental tripe", then I pity you.
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MUTTY6969 Member (Idle past 6190 days) Posts: 65 From: ARIZONA Joined: |
Well at least he spared you....I got two very off the wall emails that made little sense.
I don’t think he realizes that if one view’s the bible as just another book and nothing more then all the quote posting in the world isn’t going to strengthen his argument.
Off topic. Do not respond. Edited by AdminNWR, : off topic
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kongstad Member (Idle past 2869 days) Posts: 175 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Joined: |
I have been told on many occasions that salvation is given solely by God, and by his grace alone.
Simply by believing in the risen Christ, this grace shall be given. we are all sinners, and can do nothing to earn our way into heaven. You seem to disagree, but do you really mean to say that the many many christians who hold this belief are not christians? If not, then your argument falls apart:
To expound on that conclusion, if an atheist can escape an earthly law then he can potentially do wrong, but a Christian cannot potentially do this if he believes in a just Christ, which by definition, he does, because even if he escapes earthly law he knows he can't escape God. A christian would know that being just and not sinning would not help him achieve grace - so there is no reason for a christian - that is one who believes in the risen christ - to act morally. His grace is independent of his actions, and only dependant on his belief. that was I believe one of the points - if not the central point - of Martin Luthers epiphany, giving birth to the protestant doctrines, and the evangical sects of today. So only christians who believe in grace through actions comply with your argument, but then again a lot of atheists believe that they should never do wrong, just like the catholic, so the catholics faith in a God is irrelevant to his morals.
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