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Author Topic:   Kurt Wise - A YAC and an old earth evolutionist?
crashfrog
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Message 32 of 47 (328852)
07-04-2006 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ketrine
07-04-2006 8:03 PM


Re: Kurt Wise
Do you believe that its impossible for a good person to be wrong about something? Or do you believe that being faithful precludes any possibility of being mistaken?

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crashfrog
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Message 34 of 47 (329008)
07-05-2006 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by ketrine
07-05-2006 3:12 PM


Re: Kurt Wise
why would you think that?
Because that seems to be the basis from which you've advanced support of Wise's position - "I know him, he's a good guy, therefore he's probably right."
It seems to me that it's the evidence that matters; barring that, lacking the capacity to judge the evidence, shouldn't you go with the consensus scientific view? Is Wise with, or against, that consensus?

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crashfrog
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Message 36 of 47 (329144)
07-05-2006 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ketrine
07-05-2006 11:14 PM


Re: Kurt Wise
Just because something is popular doesnt mean it is right.
Sure. At such time as you're capable of assessing the evidence, you're free to come to your own conclusion, based on the evidence, of what the proper conclusion is.
But by your own admission you aren't at that point. So what's your rationale for dismissing the consensus of people who are capable of assessing the evidence?
It's unfair of people who dont know anything about him (or his work) to make broad overarching statements saying that he's stupid.
But you yourself aren't able to assess his conclusions, as you've admitted. Who are you to determine if he's an idiot or not?
but I can guarantee from firsthand experience that his science is DONE correctly.
But you've already admitted that you don't have the expertise or knowledge to make such a guarantee.

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crashfrog
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Message 42 of 47 (329551)
07-07-2006 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by ketrine
07-06-2006 1:27 PM


Re: Telling ....
I dont understand why you dont just believe me.
I have no idea who you are. I've never met you. I have no knowledge of your motivations, your morals, or your capacity for dishonesty or deceit. In every possible way you're an unknown to me. Why would any of us "just believe you" about anything?
If you want us to believe you about things, you have to provide evidence.
I dont want to debate with you, just convince you. Dont you want to agree?
Agree with you? If the positions you hold are wrong, why would we want to agree with those things? I think the question here is - why don't you just believe us? Why don't you just agree with us?
Can you think of any answers to those two questions that we couldn't apply equally to you?

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