Has EvC changed your beliefs?

EvC really taught me alot.
First, the different beliefs of Creation and Evolution.
There are just so many different beliefs!
Second, it taught me alot about those different theories.
Third, this forum gave me some internet experience and how people react to what you say.
There are much more smaller things.

I've learned that staunch theistic evolutionists in both senses of the term are rarer than I thought.Sometimes I feel like I occupy the middle ground in the EvC spectrum, but other times it feels like no man's land !I often find myself agreeing more with the atheists than the theists in some respects, especially on scientific topics, and given the ugly behavior of some in the theist camp, cannot blame the atheists if they don't see theism as an attractive live option.

Thats just it, I think I am right but like any good scientist I know that there is some chance that my conclusions are in error.

I agree, quite a few things I hear from the more 'hellfire and damnation' theist side is a real turn off.

Well, certainly. That goes without saying. But given the evidence so far, I think I'm right.

Of course.

Not surprising. It means that the "by their fruits I shall save them/not damn them" god or the "lovey-dovey, fluffy-bearded" god must get ditched as a possibilities."Turn off" is an understatement I imagine, for it may then seem as if the only options available to you are that you hang around for God to save you or pack a asbestos suit.In those circumstances it is no surprise that one might be expected to be more turned on by the somewhat more self-controllable/happy ending options (Hollywood testifies to our love of the latter)None of the above are options that I've talked about however, hellfire and brimstone merchant that I am...Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Fair comment, the only real disagreement it seem to me that people have on EvC is that we interpret evidence differently to each other and the amount of 'tentativity' (is that a word? It is now, lol) we hold our intereptation in.

Not really Iano. Sometimes I will argue things that I do not agree with. Like when you and I looked at Demons; I had to accept that your god was real to have that discussion.However, what you said above does not apply to me as I do not believe that any one goes to hell any more than I believe people go to heaven and meet St Peter.I'm not turned on or off as such by hellfire or fluffy heaven. I guess I was making an unclear comment about the role of people trying to 'spread the good word'. That is to say that xianity seems a lot more dark and depressing than the fluffy up beat xianity I was exposed to when I was little.I would not say that you are hellfire and brimstone merchant Iano. I see you as percieving the universe in the way that you see it and from that standpoint your post seem pretty logical.By the way, my bicycle was stolen yesterday Edited by Larni, : Alternate ending

Christianity is very upbeat. Talk of Hell and damnation and the wrath of God doesn't apply to a Christian. It does a person a disservice to talk of something which does not yet apply to them as if it does or could or would apply to them should they end in the position were they currently reside.God is love, wrath and justice. If an unsaved person talks about his fluffy love then I talk about his wrath and justice. If the talk about him being spiteful and (ugly) jealous then I talk about his love.He is all of these things so its not speaking out of both sides of my mouth. All three attributes need to be accounted for in one whole If its any comfort to you, the thief doesn't feel much joy either. The few quid will be soon gone but the theft won't beEdited by iano, : No reason given.

I appriciate the sentiment dude, but you know there are many people who don't ascribe to the moral codes we do.They are baddies. They don't think like we do.Edited by AdminJar, : fix unbalanced code

Like you never did anything bad *blush*{AbE} sounds like the recipe for a Relative Morality thread. Don't count on my joining such a road-to-nowhere beast however Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Yeah, you are probably right about that.I never did anything wrong.lol.

Um, just a point of definition. Anybody who does not believe that Jesus is God is NOT a "literalist fundamentalist." Things are confused enough as it is without going that direction.

I wish I could remember her name so then I could look up her posts but about a year back a woman was here who said she had a Ph.D. in psychology and read the Bible literally.She believed God had a face because it said to look on God's face was to die and that he had a back because he showed it Moses. She didn't believe Jesus was God because she found no statement to that effect in the Bible. She said she wasn't a JW but agreed with their reading on Jesus. Perhaps Fundamentalist is defined in a way to exclude her views but they were certainly literal basic Christianity. I don't know how Christians define Jehovah Witnesses.lfen