Unethical practices in Evangelism. What is the value of the conversions?

I think what ramoss is trying to hit at here is that these people are claiming to be converted or "saved" Jews when they are really nothing more than Christians--and have been all their lives. Did I get that right ramoss?Such claims are lies because they give the impression that Jews ARE converting to Christ, and this becomes a factor in the decision-making of those Jews wondering to convert or not. The Christians shouldn't be so glee about such conversions, though, because a conversion based on a lie (or a bribe) doesn't have a whole lot of value.Only when you speak the Truth of the Lord and His Son Christ to people in plain and open face-to-face setting can the conversion hold any weight at all.Jon

Eventually though, the brainwashing is too much. A well-trained converter can brainwash his prey without it noticing. If this is accomplished, then it's no different that convincing an old lady to innocently sign away her house to the credit card company. Remember that poor old helpless lady I was just talking about? How valid is it when they come to take her house? I think it is the parents who are doing the decieving and manipulating!Jon

A cult and a religion are, in my eyes at least, essentially the same thing. But the methods used to elicit either action may be very similiar if not the same. Here's the way I would see it. If a man is told God is great and Christ is the Saviour, etc, and he chose not to accept it, then that's that. If someone manipulates him to believe it, then they are appealing to a different interest and so the reason for believing in God and Christ are not as they should be (out of pure faith) but for reasons relating to the manipulation (give them money, pretend your Jewish, etc). No, they may not have pressured anyone, but manipulation is manipulation, whether forced or not.Jon