Unethical practices in Evangelism. What is the value of the conversions?

No, they are not. (well, both the J.W's and the Mormons claim to be christian. The J.W's might have the better claim of it than the Mormon's, and both of them have better claims than the Messanic Jews have of being Jewish).The point is, the evangalistic tactics are the same. All of the evanglistic efforts have the method of going out of their way to target people that are going through hard times, or have had an emotional upset in their life, or in some respects emotionally vulnerable.Are you specifically saying 'Yes, it is ok for my religion to do that to others, but it is not ok for other religions to use the same methods to try to convert people who belong to my religion to theirs'?

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But they are not correct and I am (within boundaries)

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That is the kind of certainty that allows for all sorts of atrocities to be carried out in the name of religion.That is truly terrifying.

Satans rectum is an active rectum. This is true.

Evil si done in the belief that one is doing good, because you have absolute certainty in your absolute rightness.If you have absolute certainty in your absolute rightness, you can justify any act.That is an incredibly dangerous, completely irrational, mindset, and you have it.Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.

The reason why people are so emotionally vunerable is that they have not Christ. Take my neighbour: her life is without hope. She wants a husband but at 40 sees that as some unscalable barrier. She wants kids but the door is ticking shut. She has a good career but worries about the young bucks snapping at her heels and knows that soon the vipers will have their way. She is not Irish and suffers from what it is to be a foreigner in a strange land. Her friendships are more aquaintances due to them being formed in the few years she has lived in Ireland. She looks ahead and sees no light at the end of the tunnel. She would agree with Robin that purposes she makes up: hobbies and holidays etc are pointless at addressing the truth behind her situation. She is alone in the world.I don't think it is manipulative to tell her about Christ and that aloneness would be the very first thing to evaporate were she to come to know him. And that the second thing would be an ever-enlarging lite appearing at the end of the tunnel."Blessed are the poor in spirit for they shall inherit the earth"Desparate people seem to be a good place to start. Gods purpose is to draw us to the end of ourselves so that we might have nowhere to turn to except him - he is not proud and doesn't mind that it is only in desparation that we turn to himBut if the message is a false one then it truly is horrible to prey on the desparate. With the qualification as to motive then yes, that is what I am saying

I am absolutely right in my central beliefs: God exists, salvation by faith alone etc. I don't see that evil necessarily follows. You forget that I have the Holy Spirit indwelling. He is a good guide if consulted. And a poor one if not.Not that a moral relativist can comment very much on things it must be said.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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I don't think it is manipulative to tell her about Christ and that aloneness would be the very first thing to evaporate were she to come to know him. And that the second thing would be an ever-enlarging lite appearing at the end of the tunnel.

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But you DO believe it would be manipulative and wrong for a Buddhist to approach her and teach her to live in the moment and that the source for all of her suffering is her desire for a husband, children, friends, etc., and that if she could let go of all of those desires, she would be at peace and complete with herself, needing nothing from the outside to fulfill her.Is that correct?

Yup. Straight from satans rectum. I don't say that the Buddhist doing so would consider himself as being manipulative. Nor the mormon or the JW. More accurately, he is being manipulated by his boss, Satan. Until we are sons of God we are ALL children of Satan and conform to daddies desire for us.Same thing when cosmetics companies set up youthful beauty as an false god and then whip ageing women into the distress which causes them to buy anti-ageing products. SR spewing out its manipulative bile.

Nice to know that religious bigotry is still alive and well in Ireland.I don't see that much of a difference between this post of yours and this messageBrian.Edited by Brian, : link corrected

I wouldn't go machine gunning mormons and the like. That's religious tolerance for you. But if I am right then they are wrong and it is not bigotted to say so. And I am right therefore it is not bigotry.That I cannot prove I am not a bigot doesn't not mean that I am one. No more than proving the world was round made it round.

And what if you are not right? It is interesting to note that you have declared yourself an omniscient being.

I wouldn't imagine that you would. No it isn't, it is fear of breaking God's commandment. You cannot prove who is right or wrong, you may all be wrong, but you are still a bigot, and not that much different from the Critic.If the Critic knew that he was right that the 'beating to death' of the Jew for rejecting Jesus must be enacted, then he is as right as you are and his life ban is unjustified. Okay, prove to me that Buddhism comes from Satan, should be easy enough. You are contradicting yourself. You say that you are correct and therefore not a bigot, now you are not sure? The world isn't round.Brian.

Actually, I am thinking of someone in a mainstream christian religion that is emotionally vulnerable right now, being targeted by J.W.'s. She has been very devote. but is going through hard times right now. That sort of nullifies your claim, doesn't it?

One would have to argue that it is not possible to be right about something for me to entertain the notion (the no absolutes dilemma). I have however admitted elsewhere I could be wrong - that I could be a character in some alien kids playstation game. That possibility exists.Otherwise though: if God exists (and you would admit he can exist) then he can make a person sure (a relative trifle compared to what he has done) that what they speak of is truth/right. I don't claim I am right on all aspects of which I speak concerning God (although you might be hard pressed to discern what those areas are I'll admit ) but I am right about JW's and Mormons etc. False gospels. False hope. Blind alleys. Not all knowing. Knowing enough.

From the outside looking in, you absolutely wrong in your beliefs.
From your reaction of the JW's prostylising to mainstream Christians, could you see that from a devote Jew, Hindu, or Muslim, there is very
little difference between a mainstream Evangalistic Christian and a Mormon or JW. All those want to lure people away from the worship of God, and worship a false god instead (From their perspective).Can you see that they might feel the same kind of resentment against
mainstream evangalistic christianity as you do against mormons and Jehohvah witnesses?
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