Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 13/17 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Has EvC changed your beliefs?
ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 151 of 223 (329472)
07-06-2006 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by iano
07-06-2006 6:36 PM


iano writes:
An enemy of God is not a disinterested observer.
God can not have enemies any more than He can have indigestion.

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
 Message 148 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 6:36 PM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 152 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:20 PM ringo has not replied
 Message 173 by Buzsaw, posted 07-07-2006 8:19 PM ringo has not replied

  
iano
Member (Idle past 1941 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 152 of 223 (329477)
07-06-2006 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by ringo
07-06-2006 6:58 PM


Are you saying that Satan is his friend?
An enemy doesn't have to be capable of causing a moments trouble to be an enemy. An enemy that can be wiped out with a handwave is still an enemy.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 151 by ringo, posted 07-06-2006 6:58 PM ringo has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 153 by jar, posted 07-06-2006 7:24 PM iano has replied
 Message 155 by ramoss, posted 07-06-2006 7:43 PM iano has replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 153 of 223 (329478)
07-06-2006 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by iano
07-06-2006 7:20 PM


Are you saying that Satan is his friend?
Sure, and his agent. Satan does nothing that GOD does not request.
But this is NOT a thread to debate things like that. If you want, why don't you start a topic on it?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
 Message 152 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:20 PM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 154 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:32 PM jar has not replied

  
iano
Member (Idle past 1941 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 154 of 223 (329482)
07-06-2006 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by jar
07-06-2006 7:24 PM


Sure, and his agent. Satan does nothing that GOD does not request.
Having entered into debate...
But this is NOT a thread to debate things like that.
And in a fairly obvious attempt at last-wordism we get get DA NAAAAA!!
If you want, why don't you start a topic on it?
And the stopwatch-to-CEASE & DESIST starts.... NOW!
Oh do tell, where does one get the notion that God requests Satan to do all that Satan does?
{Ab head-shaking edit}
God, (being all knowing), sees a heroin addict walk wobbly-legged out of gov.org rehab. Shaken and very stirred, the addict gets a taxi home, open the door to see 3 pairs of eyes awaiting. Her frightened kid, who have been brought home by the addicts mother look with need-loving eyes into the eyes of their mother. "It's okay loves - it's over" The kids, need-trusting, smile wearily at their mother, brighten as only kids can and start to show their mother pictures they painted that day in school.
"Righto" says God, dialling 666 "Satan, we have job-on. See Micko the dealer down there. Get him around to number 43 with a bag of his best horse. And this time I don't want to take No for an answer. I'll withdraw and you advance. Jobs oxo"
Is this the kind of scenario you imagine in whatever god you have rolling around in your imagination Jar
Words fail me.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 153 by jar, posted 07-06-2006 7:24 PM jar has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 165 by Larni, posted 07-07-2006 3:19 PM iano has not replied

  
ramoss
Member (Idle past 612 days)
Posts: 3228
Joined: 08-11-2004


Message 155 of 223 (329483)
07-06-2006 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by iano
07-06-2006 7:20 PM


One thing that definately has changed for me is exasperation about the 'Satan' card.
Well, in the Jewish faith, Satan (shaitan) is the 'accusor'. He is an angel of God. The angels of god do not have free will, and therefore there is no angelic revolt.
The function of ha-shaitan is to provide bad choices for people, so they have the opportunity to choose good, and therefore raise their life from a mundane life, and lead a more sanctfied life.
The word 'Angel' in Hebrew is 'malachi', which means messanger. The angels of God are the messengers of god.
My dislike for the Christian version of Satan has definately become more pronouced with the way many christians use that here.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 152 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:20 PM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 156 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:56 PM ramoss has not replied
 Message 157 by ringo, posted 07-06-2006 8:27 PM ramoss has replied

  
iano
Member (Idle past 1941 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 156 of 223 (329485)
07-06-2006 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by ramoss
07-06-2006 7:43 PM


My dislike for the Christian version of Satan has definately become more pronouced with the way many christians use that here.
Which gives me an idea for a thread.
"Why does Googling "Christian evangelism" result in 87000 hits and Googling " Judaism evangelism" result in 13 hits"

This message is a reply to:
 Message 155 by ramoss, posted 07-06-2006 7:43 PM ramoss has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 159 by ReverendDG, posted 07-06-2006 10:31 PM iano has not replied
 Message 160 by Asgara, posted 07-06-2006 11:06 PM iano has not replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 157 of 223 (329490)
07-06-2006 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by ramoss
07-06-2006 7:43 PM


ramoss writes:
My dislike for the Christian version of Satan has definately become more pronouced with the way many christians use that here.
Mine too.
If EvC has changed my beliefs, it has made me more Jewish.

Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation.
Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC

This message is a reply to:
 Message 155 by ramoss, posted 07-06-2006 7:43 PM ramoss has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 158 by ramoss, posted 07-06-2006 9:00 PM ringo has not replied

  
ramoss
Member (Idle past 612 days)
Posts: 3228
Joined: 08-11-2004


Message 158 of 223 (329496)
07-06-2006 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by ringo
07-06-2006 8:27 PM


You do seem to be arguing a lot of items that are more in tune with the Jewish religion than mainstream Christianity at times. One very strong example that , while not jewish at all, fits the Jewish attitude towards life/death is the concept that it isn't that Jesus died for your sins, but that he lived. The emphasis on LIFE rather than the death/sacrifice is much more Jewish than much of Christianity.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 157 by ringo, posted 07-06-2006 8:27 PM ringo has not replied

  
ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4110 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
Joined: 06-06-2005


Message 159 of 223 (329499)
07-06-2006 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by iano
07-06-2006 7:56 PM


"Why does Googling "Christian evangelism" result in 87000 hits and Googling " Judaism evangelism" result in 13 hits"
thats strange i get 470k hits for Judaism evangelism maybe you need to make a topic on how to use google?
Off Topic. Do not respond
Edited by AdminJar, : Off Topic warning

This message is a reply to:
 Message 156 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:56 PM iano has not replied

  
Asgara
Member (Idle past 2302 days)
Posts: 1783
From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 160 of 223 (329502)
07-06-2006 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by iano
07-06-2006 7:56 PM


Try "Jewish evangelism" I get 1,160,000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 156 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:56 PM iano has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 161 by ramoss, posted 07-07-2006 1:31 AM Asgara has not replied

  
ramoss
Member (Idle past 612 days)
Posts: 3228
Joined: 08-11-2004


Message 161 of 223 (329508)
07-07-2006 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Asgara
07-06-2006 11:06 PM


and I am sure you will find that the vast majority of those are the so called 'messanic jews'.. or ways to evangalise to the jews.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 160 by Asgara, posted 07-06-2006 11:06 PM Asgara has not replied

  
robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 162 of 223 (329601)
07-07-2006 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by iano
07-06-2006 6:46 PM


Your in a unique and very unusual position Robin
That's because I'm so tolerant and so open-minded and,well,to be frank,so wonderful. Not to mention my robust joy for living.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 150 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 6:46 PM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 163 by iano, posted 07-07-2006 12:37 PM robinrohan has not replied

  
iano
Member (Idle past 1941 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 163 of 223 (329609)
07-07-2006 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by robinrohan
07-07-2006 11:59 AM


Deleted: wrong poster
I didn't mean literally imagine Robin you dullard. I meant it more constructively than that
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 162 by robinrohan, posted 07-07-2006 11:59 AM robinrohan has not replied

  
Larni
Member (Idle past 164 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 164 of 223 (329646)
07-07-2006 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by iano
07-06-2006 6:36 PM


Iano writes:
Saved (peace with God)/unsaved (enemies of God).
Come on mate, forced choice. I'm not an ememy of something I believe does not exist.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 148 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 6:36 PM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 168 by iano, posted 07-07-2006 5:56 PM Larni has replied

  
Larni
Member (Idle past 164 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 165 of 223 (329647)
07-07-2006 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by iano
07-06-2006 7:32 PM


Iano writes:
Is this the kind of scenario you imagine in whatever god you have rolling around in your imagination Jar
Thats exactly how I see it. Yahweh gives to nod to Satan and someone gets tempted. Thats why I would see your good as a deciever.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 154 by iano, posted 07-06-2006 7:32 PM iano has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024