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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: An enemy of God is not a disinterested observer. God can not have enemies any more than He can have indigestion. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Are you saying that Satan is his friend?
An enemy doesn't have to be capable of causing a moments trouble to be an enemy. An enemy that can be wiped out with a handwave is still an enemy.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you saying that Satan is his friend? Sure, and his agent. Satan does nothing that GOD does not request. But this is NOT a thread to debate things like that. If you want, why don't you start a topic on it? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Sure, and his agent. Satan does nothing that GOD does not request. Having entered into debate...
But this is NOT a thread to debate things like that. And in a fairly obvious attempt at last-wordism we get get DA NAAAAA!!
If you want, why don't you start a topic on it? And the stopwatch-to-CEASE & DESIST starts.... NOW! Oh do tell, where does one get the notion that God requests Satan to do all that Satan does? {Ab head-shaking edit}God, (being all knowing), sees a heroin addict walk wobbly-legged out of gov.org rehab. Shaken and very stirred, the addict gets a taxi home, open the door to see 3 pairs of eyes awaiting. Her frightened kid, who have been brought home by the addicts mother look with need-loving eyes into the eyes of their mother. "It's okay loves - it's over" The kids, need-trusting, smile wearily at their mother, brighten as only kids can and start to show their mother pictures they painted that day in school. "Righto" says God, dialling 666 "Satan, we have job-on. See Micko the dealer down there. Get him around to number 43 with a bag of his best horse. And this time I don't want to take No for an answer. I'll withdraw and you advance. Jobs oxo" Is this the kind of scenario you imagine in whatever god you have rolling around in your imagination Jar Words fail me. Edited by iano, : No reason given. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
One thing that definately has changed for me is exasperation about the 'Satan' card.
Well, in the Jewish faith, Satan (shaitan) is the 'accusor'. He is an angel of God. The angels of god do not have free will, and therefore there is no angelic revolt. The function of ha-shaitan is to provide bad choices for people, so they have the opportunity to choose good, and therefore raise their life from a mundane life, and lead a more sanctfied life. The word 'Angel' in Hebrew is 'malachi', which means messanger. The angels of God are the messengers of god. My dislike for the Christian version of Satan has definately become more pronouced with the way many christians use that here.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
My dislike for the Christian version of Satan has definately become more pronouced with the way many christians use that here. Which gives me an idea for a thread. "Why does Googling "Christian evangelism" result in 87000 hits and Googling " Judaism evangelism" result in 13 hits"
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ramoss writes: My dislike for the Christian version of Satan has definately become more pronouced with the way many christians use that here. Mine too. If EvC has changed my beliefs, it has made me more Jewish. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You do seem to be arguing a lot of items that are more in tune with the Jewish religion than mainstream Christianity at times. One very strong example that , while not jewish at all, fits the Jewish attitude towards life/death is the concept that it isn't that Jesus died for your sins, but that he lived. The emphasis on LIFE rather than the death/sacrifice is much more Jewish than much of Christianity.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4110 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
"Why does Googling "Christian evangelism" result in 87000 hits and Googling " Judaism evangelism" result in 13 hits"
thats strange i get 470k hits for Judaism evangelism maybe you need to make a topic on how to use google? Off Topic. Do not respond Edited by AdminJar, : Off Topic warning
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Try "Jewish evangelism" I get 1,160,000
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
and I am sure you will find that the vast majority of those are the so called 'messanic jews'.. or ways to evangalise to the jews.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Your in a unique and very unusual position Robin That's because I'm so tolerant and so open-minded and,well,to be frank,so wonderful. Not to mention my robust joy for living.
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iano Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Deleted: wrong poster
I didn't mean literally imagine Robin you dullard. I meant it more constructively than that Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Iano writes: Saved (peace with God)/unsaved (enemies of God). Come on mate, forced choice. I'm not an ememy of something I believe does not exist.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Iano writes: Is this the kind of scenario you imagine in whatever god you have rolling around in your imagination Jar Thats exactly how I see it. Yahweh gives to nod to Satan and someone gets tempted. Thats why I would see your good as a deciever.
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